EUV is complex, unlike nuclear weapons and energy, 5G, space stations, probes to the dark side of the moon and hypersonic missiles. Those things are simple.

smuglord

[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

EUV is complex. And more so than the accomplishments you mentioned: nuclear weapons were cracked in the 1940's, probe moon landings in the 50's and space stations in the 70's. All have since been reproduced by several nations in isolation. That is not the case of state of the art lithography. No single nation "owns" it because it truly is a multinational endeavor.

(And actual hypersonic missiles haven't made it to the battlefield, and 5G is about commoditization and standardization, by the ITU, an organ of the united nations, so I'm not sure exactly how that adds to your rhetoric)

smuglord

Way to put your ignorance on display.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Way to put your ignorance on display.

smuglord

Lecturing me about ignorance while deliberately misrepresenting bleeding edge next generation nuclear reactors and probes to the dark side of the moon as old tech.

American hypersonics can't even make it out of testing and Chinese ones are being deployed on warships already.

Weak shit for someone pretending to argue from a position of knowledge

[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Lecturing me about ignorance

Fair, how about you enlighten me about the present topic, then, instead of digressing? It does look like deflection and insults doesn't make it prettier.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not digressing at all. Your argument is that EUV tech is somehow exceptionally complex, therefore China cannot create it's own version in a reasonable time frame. The direct response to that claim is to point to examples of complex technologies that China has mastered and advanced.

China leads the world in new patents and has mastered several technologies which even America has not. Given that the current leading purveyors of EUV are the frickin Dutch, not the Americans, there's no basis to claim that EUV is exceptionally complex such that the world's leading scientific and econmic power cannot reproduce it.

[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev 2 points 10 months ago

Same response as https://programming.dev/comment/5908167 ; I never wrote that China cannot create it's own version, but that it will likely take some time. Reasons for this complexity are also mentioned in that post.

I get where your impression comes from, but I highly recommend watching the video about EUV's history (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmgkV83OhHA) to better weight the contribution of every (international) party.

[–] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

actual hypersonic missiles haven’t made it to the battlefield

Really? Then how come Russia has had them in service since 2017 and China deployed theirs in 2019? This is just cope from western "military experts" online that can't deal with the fact that Russia and China have better missiles than America.

[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Again, not a military expert, but have you been living under a rock for several years and missed this whole Ukrainian "special military operation"?

Russia's hyped Kinzhal missiles, which promised to defeat air defence systems and be manoeverable at supersonic speeds are being shot down by 80's era surface to air missiles. And I don't think anyone has been in a position to assess China's capabilities in the matter and I have no interest in discussing your beliefs.

Edit: forgot to say this really has nothing to do with advanced lithography, anyways…

[–] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Russia’s hyped Kinzhal missiles, which promised to defeat air defence systems and be manoeverable at supersonic speeds are being shot down by 80’s era surface to air missiles.

There's no proof of this ever happening, Ukraine hasn't been able to provide evidence of shooting down even ONE kinzhal.

Also, this has nothing to do with China's hypersonic missiles.

[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/05/16/world/russia-ukraine-news make what you want of it, as I said, this is off-topic.

[–] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

US officials also confirmed Iraq's WMDs and babies being thrown off incubators, I need hard evidence for it happening since their word is worth less than trash.

...Also we literally have video evidence that they lied about shooting down the Kinzhal back in May (the event you just linked):

The people who recorded this video were arrested by the Kiev regime for being "saboteurs" too, Ukrainians exposing their own government's lies is a crime 🤣

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

They also lied and denied that their Patriot missile system was hit but it mysteriously never shot a single missile after that… hmmm…. It’s almost like Ukraine and NATO are liars and you are stupid if you believe them

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

No khinzals have been shot down, not a single one

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

Russia has used dozens of hypersonic missiles in Ukraine and destroyed American Patriot Missile Defense systems with them