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Looking at the two big news publishers in my country. One isn't reporting about the current bombings at all, while the other one is phrasing their words mostly anti-Palestinian.

Is there some neutral coverage I can keep up to? Where do you guys get your info from?

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[–] ad_on_is@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm aware of that, and some of the current claims are probably subject to change in the future. I just browsed through reuters, and they seem unbiased. While my local news refers to hamas as "radical islamic terror organisation Hamas", reuters just uses "hamas".

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Good journalists will never make their own opinion on the matter known outside the comment/opinion/analysis pages.

Not: Man eats a delicious red apple

Not: Man eats a red apple and says it's delicious.

But: Man says he ate a red apple and claims it is delicious.

Or in some cases: Footage appears to show many saying he ate a red apple and claiming it was delicious.

If the journalist didn't see it with their own eyes, they won't state that it's a fact.

It's annoying how intertwined opinion and journalism have become, but it isn't a journalist's job to do anything more than report on what they saw, read or heard.

Unfortunately journalism has been in decline for so long now, that many people don't know the difference between good and poor journalism. So when a good journalist simply reports on what someone said, they wrongly think the journalist is agreeing with them, instead of simply reporting on what they heard the person say.

Good journalism isn't someone shouting about how angry something makes them, even if you agree with them. Good journalism is the equivalent of a court stenographer or someone who subtitles movies for the deaf.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why is man “claiming” the apple is delicious? Is he in the pocket of Big Apple, and it really isn’t delicious? Or is the report from Fox Apple and they’re trying to cast aspersions on the man and his “claims”?

[–] AmberPrince@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The apples are turning the frigging hourses gay.

Edit: horses. I had a stroke.

[–] ad_on_is@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

This might be the best eli5 of good journalism.

[–] AmberPrince@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Right. It's all about media literacy. Once you start picking up on loaded language like "Radical Islamic terror organisation Hamas" it starts becoming pretty evident what the biases are. That's not to say the news they are reporting is false, just that it is going to take some extra work on your part to filter out all of the bullshit. Like you mentioned, the Common name of the government of Gaza is "Hamas" calling it anything else is an attempt to appeal to emotion to prime you to think about it a certain way. Like calling the Israeli government "zionists" it's ment to sway to to something, not give you news.

[–] ad_on_is@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Exactly, that's what I'm talking about.

Obviously, with the fact that the Palestinians have been opressed for decades, which led for organisations like the Hamas to arrise, there's no good guys / bad guys in this situation.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Hamas is the government in Gaza because they seized power and do not allow elections.

Calling them a radical terrorist organization is both accurate and removes the citizens of Gaza from responsibility for the actions of Hamas.

[–] BEDE@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Regarding media literacy, the number one book I can recommend anyone wishing improve theirs is " The News" by Alain de Botton.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

radical islamic terror organisation Hamas

This is an accurate, unbiased description of Hamas. They are exactly that, the same way ISIL/ISIS is.

[–] ad_on_is@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While this might be true, it's all about the context. They make it seem like the Israelis are targeting the "bad guys" and should be allowed to do so. But they don't mention the unrightful suffering and death of Palestinian civilians at all.

You now what I mean? If they call the Hamas a radical islamic terror organization (which I'm fine with), why don't they also call the Israelis a radical zionist terror organization?

What I want to read is, if the Hamas fucked up, then let me know about it, also, if the Israelis fucked up, I want to know about that too.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

radical zionist terror organization

Because they aren't that.

There is no country on the planet that would not respond military to a thousand civilians being murdered via state-sponsored terrorism.

[–] ad_on_is@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But haven't they oppressed the Palestinians for the past decades. Didn't they evidently commit crimes that fall under the umbrella of "terror"?

At some point, it's unavoidable for organisations to arise, that don't play by the rules anymore.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Didn’t they evidently commit crimes that fall under the umbrella of “terror”?

No. Words have actual meanings.