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So telling someone not to wear a pin is now racist?
No... It's asking people to adhere to the policies that existed when they were hired...
You can literally search "whole foods dress code" and find reddit posts of people discussing this YEARS ago.
https://www.reddit.com/r/wholefoods/comments/mdcifx/dress_code/
This is nothing new... It's a bog standard policy for many places.
LMAO A tankie talking about "boot licking". That's hilarious. You worship someone who literally killed my people for no reason... And defend it like it was okay. Talk about boot licking.
Signage and displays isn't a violation of dress code... So yes. This is different.
I'm sure if they decided they could make money off of the BLM movement they'd put up signage and displays for it too. But they're the one's paying the bills... they get to make up the rules in their establishment.
Nope. It's following company policy, because that company hired you and is paying your paycheck to follow their rules and to do the job.
Not even close to true.
But whatever floats your boat.
Edit: To make it clear. I believe that company's should follow the law... Including those mandating break times.
Ah yes, we've ran out of meaningful arguments for our beliefs so we're going to resort to ad hominem.
Nothing about this has anything to do with morals... but you go ahead and keep preaching. I'm sure other people out there will listen. Just like I'm sure other companies don't care about wearing a BLM mask and pin, these people can work at those companies.
The guy arguing with you is like arguing with a 5 year old 😂
And maybe one day you'll get a job... and give a fuck about making a living.
Don't want to have a dress code? Get a different job that doesn't have one.
It's not a right. Wearing a fucking pin means nothing and grants nobody freedom.
Further...
I'm in this class as an ex-army veteran... Don't wear a poppy for us in the USA. It means nothing here.
LMFAO wrong branch dufus.
LMFAO. Yeah... alright. You know nothing about this country then. Keep railing on it without knowing anything about it then.
Wearing a pin or paraphernalia accomplishes nothing expect giving the corporate fuckhead that made that paraphernalia money, and makes yourself feel good.
You wearing a poppy doesn't actually help a veteran. Get over yourself. I don't find myself lacking help or support nor do I demand acknowledgement.
Yup, more ad hominem. You know that reflects on you right?
I have plenty of things that I like. I also know that there's a time and place for it. While I'm working isn't either. It's just called common decency.
I don't believe that adhering to a dress policy is societal oppression. Period. But that seems to be way over your head. If you believe that you NEED the ability to wear that stuff... get a job that allows it. It's as simple as that. It's the ultimate freedom.
Then don't piss off the only employer in your area? That's not Whole Foods [or anyone elses really] problem.
No. The policy is NO branding other than whole foods. This isn't targeted at anyone in particular. If you believe that whole foods is treating you poorly then you leave the job. That's it.
You're so up your own that you didn't even stop to realize that I might be part of those groups myself the funny part is my group was treated worse for literally hundreds of years longer but you do you. You're making assumptions without realizing that this has nothing to do with any of what your talking about. It's literally just a bog standard basic dress code, not an anti-BLM plot.
It's literally not. If you insert any other argument then you're wrong.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/judge-dismisses-whole-foods-workers-lawsuit-over-black-lives-matter-masks-2023-01-23/
You can literally read the full decision from the judge if you like. If you can find evidence that Whole Foods was acting against the employees unfairly, then I'm sure the plaintiffs lawyers would like to hire you on as a partner in their firm.
Not even close. I'm part of a marginalized group, but don't make it my whole identity. I came from immigrant parents, am first generation American, worked hard to get where I am and am raising up those around me as well. You know what doesn't help? Wearing a fucking pin or logo.
Let's put this in perspective. What has Whole Foods done to warrant being protested against in regards to BLM? Is Whole Foods racist for applying a policy fairly across the board?
Why would you protest Whole Foods if they've done nothing wrong? Why would you stress your contract with a company you're working for that has a known dress code in order to "protest" something that the company has no part in?
What does the "protest" resolve at a Whole Foods? Does it make other people who are just trying to live uncomfortable to be confronted with something that is ultimately politically charged when they just want to buy some fucking frozen pizza's and milk for their family?
Yes
No
If the Westboro Baptist Church or Scientologists set fire to all the neighboring black homes in their area... and you went to Whole Foods to protest that act... Do you think that would be effective? Do you think it would be meaningful? Wouldn't you rather see them protest where it matters? Like I dunno... At the organization that actually created the problem or is actively participating in the problem?
Since a job is effectively selling your time to work for a company in return for compensation it's fair to the company to violate their policies while they're paying you?
You talk about morals before... but cheating a company out of the contract that you signed seems pretty scummy. Like I've said before... find another job if the morals of the company doesn't align with your own.
Right... So what does THAT [or any really...] particular Whole Foods have anything to do with BLM? So why protest while you're working? Does it make sense to WORK for the people you're apparently protesting against? That's a bit counter-intuitive...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/09/black-lives-matter-pac-428403
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21306771/black-lives-matter-george-floyd-protest-michael-kazin
So... You sure about that? I can provide more if you'd like...
When you've sold your time to someone else, it shouldn't be done at all. Or at the very least with their blessing/permission.
The same ones you would if you lives near me. There's plenty of jobs to have. Literally have access to dozens of jobs at several different wage points within walking distance of me. They've been publicly advertising the need for workers desperately for years at this point. But see... you seem to be too entitled to just follow a simple fucking dress code... so many places probably wont want to hire you since you're unable to follow simple policies. If your job, whatever it is... decided that you need to show up in khakis and a button shirt starting tomorrow with no visible writing/logos (other than maybe the tags on the clothing itself)... Is that racism? Would you scream that they're being unfair? Or maybe they just want you to appear more professional to your customers? But this is a different problem all together. Being desirable by companies usually means you play by their rules in regards to the time you're working for them.
If you say so... I actually would appreciate actual discussion on the matter. But a lot of what you've posted has instead been ad hominem... which is disappointing.
I don't give a shit about "rules". I just don't understand why you work somewhere... agreeing to abide by their policies... just to surprise pikachu when then actually enforce their policies? Then decide to try to sue the company for applying their policies fairly?
Further I don't understand people like you going out of their way to claim it's racism...
That violates the contract/policies that you agree to in order to work there... Like you said. It's just a pin. (even though before you were saying it's much more than the pin/mask). I mean that's been my point all along. It's just a pin and ultimately means nothing on it's own. Should they be allowed to wear a NAMBLA pin (not comparing the organizations... Just proving a point)?
I don't think that a pin/design on a mask attests to ANYONE's character. Nor if they even understand/agree with what's on the pin/mask. I have a shirt that I wear sometimes with "National Pro Fastpitch"... I've never been part of the organization, nor do I even know what it is.
Which wearing a pin is neither protest nor strike... But do you agree that if people came to work... And held up signs all day about BLM... would the company then be fine to fire those people? What makes it any different then wearing that sign all day long? To your point earlier... I'll entertain for a moment that it could be a protest.
So the company must suffer it (even if it's simply just as little suffering as an employee not following a legal policy)? While paying you to do it? Imagine you paying someone to do something explicitly against the contract they signed... Then taking you to court and winning. This is not how a functional society works.
Nah, I'm good. People's lives before me doesn't make me who I am... I'm me in spite of that.
I do also want to revisit one other thing you brought up before...
So if I prefer music like Spiritbox, Sleep Token, etc... Do you stand by the logic that I shouldn't be allowed to blare my music while I'm working? Should I have to go into an Albertson's and listen to WAP blaring on some portable speakers or through their headphones? I mean, that's who they are right?
Thanks for proving my point.
Yes... So can you answer ANY question I posed? Or are you just going to post unrelated images?
So that's a no then?