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I WANT YOU TO BECOME A SOCIALIST (lemmygrad.ml)
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[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OP thinks all the victims of communism are either enemies of the people or made up by the CIA or some other dumb shit

[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OP thinks all the victims of communism are either enemies of the people or made up by the CIA or some other dumb shit

I think the Nazis predate the CIA

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I said victims, not allies

[–] purahna@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

are you kidding me? 8 out of 10 Nazi soldiers died on the Eastern front, Soviets are the single greatest bringer of Nazi death that has ever existed

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, after 2 years of happy alliance. Stalin doesn't get extra credit for being stabbed in the back by his ally. He still chose to make an alliance with Hitler.

[–] ComradeEd@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In justification of the crucifixion of Czechoslovakia at Munich it was said that [the Soviet Union] could not be trusted and that her assistance would not be worth much in any case. On the points there could be honest difference of opinion, but not about the diplomatic record. Certainly the Czech Government did not doubt [the Soviet Union]'s sincerity. At a session of the Harris Institute at the University of Chicago in August 1939 I asked President [of Czechoslovakia] Benes whether [the Soviet Union] would have supported him had he decided to fight in September 1938. He replied, without an instant's hesitation: "There was never any doubt in my mind that [the Soviet Union] would aid us by all the ways open to her, but I did not dare to fight with [Soviet] aid alone, because I knew that the British and French Governments would make out of my country another Spain."

Denna F. Flemming; The Cold War and Its Origins, 1917-1960; Vol 1, 1917-1950; Page 84

All the [the Soviet Union] is just replacing Russia (the author likes using Russia instead of SU), it changes the quote in no way.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actions speak louder than words. Maybe Stalin gave Czechoslovakia some nice words, but what he did was help Hitler invade Poland as a friend and ally.

[–] ComradeEd@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Indeed, actions speak louder than words. And what Britain and France did, was help Germany invade Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland. And ensured Fascism would win in Spain. When Adolf wanted an army, a navy, an airforce, they gave it to him.

Appeasement worked. Germany went to war.

[–] aport@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Chamberlain was booted out of office over appeasement. You're still defending Stalin's decision to invade Poland with the Nazis. That's the difference between reasonable people and tankies.

[–] ComradeEd@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The USSR "invaded" 16 days after the Germans. At that time, there was no Poland. The Government had been interned in Romania.

[–] aport@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why put invaded in quotes? Did it not happen?

At that time, there was no Poland

The Polish government fled to Romania the day after the Soviets invaded. So yes, there was still a Poland. Just like there was a Poland when the Soviets and the Nazis planned to invade the country and split it amongst themselves.

[–] ComradeEd@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Right, Seems so. They only passed the Romanian border on the 17th.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What Britain and France did was declare war on Germany after the joint invasion of Poland from Hitler and his Soviet allies.

[–] ComradeEd@lemmygrad.ml -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They did, after they finally realized what they had done. Read The Cold War and Its Origins.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What "they" had done? Are you seriously trying to blame Stalin signing a military alliance with Hitler on Neville Chamberlain being an appeasing dick?

[–] ComradeEd@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Read a book. I already recommended you one.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A book commonly regarded as Soviet imperial apologia, recommended by a tankie from lemmygrad

[–] ComradeEd@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago

In what way is it "commonly regarded"? Where? Who? WTF are you talking about? I genuinely want to know.

[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, they were never allies Wiki: Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

Do you think an evening on Wikipedia to enlighten you might frighten you?

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's exactly the alliance I was referring to, thank you

[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A non-aggression pact is an alliance now? I guess up means down now as well.

[–] aport@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah when you help the Nazis invade Poland, that's an alliance.

In before "well akshually helping the Nazis was a good thing because the polish were the real Nazis" tankie apologia

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When you split up Poland with someone in a joint military invasion and help support their military with massive economic supplies, yes, you're allies.