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There's been an ongoing debate about whether communities should combine or stay separate. Both have significant disadvantages and advantages:

Combine:

  • Network effects. Smaller communities become viable if they pool together their userbase. Communities with more people (up to a point!) are generally more useful and fun.
  • Discoverability. Right now, I might stumble on a 50 subscriber community and not realize everyone has abandoned it for the lively 500 subscriber community somewhere else, maybe with a totally different name.

Separate:

  • Redundancy. If a community goes down, or an instance is taken down, people can easily move over.
  • Diffusion of political power. Users can choose a different community or instance if the current one doesn't suit them. Mods are less likely to get drunk on power if they have real competition.

This isn't an exhaustive list, but I just want to show that each side has significant advantages over the other.

Sibling communities:

To have some of the advantages of both approaches, how about we have official "sibling communities"? For example, sign up for fediverse@lemmy.world and, along the top, it lists fediverse@lemmy.ml as a sibling community.

  • When you post, you have an easily accessible option to cross-post automatically to all sibling communities. You can also set it so that only the main post allows comments, to aggregate all comments to just one post, if that's desirable.
  • The UI could detect sibling cross-posts and suppress multiple mentions of the same post if you're subscribed to multiple sibling communities, maybe with a "cross-sibling post" designation. That way it only shows up once in your feed.
  • Both mod teams must agree to become siblings, so it can't be forced on any community.
  • Mods of either community can also decide to suppress the cross post if they feel it's too spammy or not suitable for cross discussion.
  • This allows you to easily learn about all related communities without abandoning your current one. This increases the network effects without needing to combine or destroy communities.

Of course, this could be more informal with just a norm to sticky a post at the top of every community to link to related communities. At least that way I know of the existence of other communities. I personally prefer the official designation so that various technologies can be implemented in the ways I mentioned.

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[–] metaStatic@kbin.social -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

cross-post automatically

if you cross post to more than 3 communities I'm blocking you, especially if you have more posts than comments.

I don't need my entire front page to be your post thanks.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Their suggestion addresses this:

The UI could detect sibling cross-posts and suppress multiple mentions of the same post if you’re subscribed to multiple sibling communities, maybe with a “cross-sibling post” designation. That way it only shows up once in your feed.

[–] sab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem with that is that you lose out on part of the comments.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 1 points 1 year ago

Cross-posts on Lemmy show links to the other posts on each of them, so you wouldn't be missing out on anything - you'd just have to click through to the other posts from the one you could see, rather than seeing multiple copies of it.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

That's kind of not the poster's fault.

When a given interface respects the cross posting method, it doesn't show multiple posts, it shows one post with a list of places it was cross posted to.

Unfortunately, not every interface respects that part if federation. Most lemmy apps don't (afaik, none do, but I can't claim to use all of). If kbin via web isn't following that, it isn't that person's fault.

Now, that's different from someone making multiple posts of the same thing because they don't know how to cross post lol.