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I have read your comment more than a few times, trying to respond in good faith, but I am uncertain so I am going to ask before responding:

Are you arguing from a position that housing IS a human right but not related at all to property rights, and the government needs to make housing affordable enough to everyone.

-OR-

Are you arguing from a position that housing is NOT a human right, BUT "the rent is too damn high" and the government needs to fix it?

There is a lot of what you have to say that I think I agree with, but I keep reading your comment and I am not sure.

I do see what you mean, but I am not sure arguing all the edge cases does anything but muddy the water. I mean I would argue that a hotel (even long term) is a hotel. Honestly, I would argue that the way housing is working right now, landlords who do short-term rentals are even worse than your standard landlord. Some cities are outlawing or heavily regulating them because they are so much more damaging (to society) than the more normal longterm landlord.

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Sorry, in retrospect that was entirely too flippant and answer for a pretty good discussion and question. Deleted.

Most people who are arguing that being a landlord (as a class) are arguing that using property (ownership) as an investment (extracting value) is evil by it's nature. By owning the home and living there, there is already a categorical difference. Most (although not all) people arguing against rentier behavior have no issues with a person owning personal property.

I do see your what you are trying to say, it's akin to "slippery slope" falacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

If landlords are wrong, then logically wouldn't this other more reasonable and less exploitative thing be wrong too? (renting a room in a house you own and are living in) and no, not necessarily. Because it isn't the same thing.

Or maybe not. Maybe renting out a room in a house you live in is wrong too. Frankly, it would be simpler to do away with all private property rights, and live in a star trek style egalitarian utopia. I would vote for that.

As long as I get to smuggle in some Romulan Ale.

My two cents---which is worthless (thanks inflation!):

Not unless you are taking advantage of them. It really is going to depend on the specific situation. But if you are renting to housemates you're not really the landlord class most people are talking about.

Perhaps, but doesn't the US history of hobos, homeless, company towns, and housing crisis mean...regardless of how you feel about the various flavors of socialism/communism, that the criticism is correct even if you don't like the solution?

In order for there to be any rental property at all, someone has to own it and be the landlord.

I mean yes, but all that means is there shouldn't be rental properties

Unless they think it should be the state.

You mean ppl think that housing is a human right that should be provided for and administer by "We the People" for "We the People".

I didn’t think there is much of a logical argument for having no landlords whatsoever.

What other kind of Lords do you think there isn't a logical argument against?

Who owns a hotel? Isn’t that just another type of landlord?

Surely you understand the difference between a hotel and a home. They are prima facie not the same thing. Also, we call the owners of hotels...owners. The same thing we call owners of homes. Landlords are not the same thing.

Wait, SO you are both defending Wallz for sending a condolences tweet for a dead evil CEO because there wasn't any context to the killing yet, and defending him for not tweeting about the other 124 victims in his state because there wasn't enough context. Kinda sounds like you are just defending Wallz because you like him.

if I do some freelancing sometimes, should I kill myself? Asking for a friend.

It seems that you are intentionally missing the point. If you are selling your own labor, you my friend are working class.