@PhilthyHabits @JackbyDev What's my point? Australian stadiums are better than the worst examples from the US, but they aren't fantastic.

@PhilthyHabits @JackbyDev Melbourne's big stadiums do have substantial car parks, but they are also a short walk from at least 1 central train station with ~10 platforms.

@umbrella @ertai looks a lot safer to be hit by than a car.

@SuperCub @Elkenders To most the size of an SUV is the point.

@PowerCrazy I think even those examples are more on the less side, they aren't continuing to grow that way. But they are good places to live because of how close to those ideals they still are.

@dessalines @PowerCrazy No, it really is feasible to have PT close enough to everyone's house. Some will choose a bike to cut 15m walking into 5m riding, but it isn't required.

Part of that is that every neighbourhood needs all types of housing. Okay, not every one needs high rise apartments. But medium rise next to the station above the restaurants and retail, surrounded by town houses, surrounded by units, surrounded by 1/3rd acre house blocks

It really isn't crazy

Utopia needs many changes

@ertai @frightful_hobgoblin Registered as a car may mean adding airbags, passing crash safety tests, etc. It all depends on where you are.

If you need to pass all those car tests you can't be a velomobile any more, you have to be a car. Someone was making a modern electric Moke, which sounds like a fantastic vehicle, except it wasn't legal in many places because it couldn't pass modern safety regulations.

(Heck postie bikes aren't legal in Australia any more because they wont add dual ABS)

@Glifted @ertai All weather is a pretty big upside.

@PowerCrazy Yeah.

And why aren't they putting in more useful cameras. My new car has at least 6 exteria cameras, but why isn't their a pair of cameras at the rear pointing sideways? Getting that view when reversing out of a perpendicular parking space would be *really* valuable.

@PowerCrazy @return2ozma I like where you are heading. Probably better to define being able to see a set of targets around the vehicle. Easier to define, harder to game.

I wouldn't ban cameras, but I would require the visibility be obtained without them. Cameras can give vision that is useful and implausible without them.

@rekabis I wasn't talking about pedal confusion, just the attentiveness needed for safety.

Size of vehicle makes the attention required to operate safely around other people higher. Both from risk due to vehicle bulk and mass, and the difficulty in being aware of your surroundings that a larger and higher vehicle has.

@rekabis @fpslem Honestly, I don't think any human is attentive enough to drive a SUV in a town.