Forester

My guy I'm not arguing for neat little boxes. I'm saying that each of the little green boxes and neat little yellow boxes are all their own separate views and opinions, but all fall under the collective branch of libertarianism. And in that same breath I will tell you that Russia, China the United States Great Britain, Germany, etc can all be classified as authoritarian states.

If we had more carrots we would need a lot less sticks

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Well you seem to be in the minority here so it would appear that the majority of people understand my definition as correct since that's the definition as defined in multiple dictionaries.

If you appreciate authority, you're an authoritarian...

I'm fully aware of the keys to power that you are referring to, and I agree the main struggle would be to get society as a whole to realize and remember that they hold power over those keys and that the keys have convinced the populous of the reverse

Don't you understand they're the bad word gang and you don't want to be associated with the gad word gang that I think is bad because it's bad. Now let me ignore this other label that applies to me because I don't want to understand that it's worse bad. /S

the word libertarian literally does mean what I'm telling you though . What your experiencing is that your personal definition is not matching up with everyone else's reality. You've just been misinformed and have only been exposed to a subset of libertarian ideals . To put this in an analogy it's like if I said truck and you assumed I was talking about a Ford F-350 when in fact I'm referring to all trucks. From tiny k trucks to 18 wheeler big rigs

You either like authority or you don't. That's binary. How much you like or dislike it is the spectrum.

Oh I'm fully aware. I'm not a socialist though. I still think capitalism is the best model for innovation it's just the current system is geared to fuck the small mom and pop and only benefit massive conglomerations. If I was hypothetically in charge I would fully cut corporate welfare and redirect all of that directly to proper funding of essential services and safety nets and infrastructure. If your company requires government handout money to run, it should go under. That's the capitalism I want to see.

And this is why I am a minarchist ultimately, we know that there must be a monopoly on violence, preferably that would be held by a state of elected peers that can be impeached for transgressions against the public trust. I am 100% personally for protections and social safety nets, a strong system to protect and enrich the lives of citizens so that they can be productive and have better outputs in the long run benefits all of us. And it turns out it's generally cheaper to fix problems then let them fester and rot.

Personally, I would love modern societies bring back banishment as a punishment for being a corrupt official. Imagine if election day lets you vote somebody out of the country for being a huge dick head and a detriment to your life and rights.

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