This was fun! Thanks for creating so much community engagement for kbin! can't wait to test out the script.
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This was fun! Thanks for creating so much community engagement for kbin! can't wait to test out the script.
edit: cute!
agreed, it was incredibly fun creating something together with everyone! the sense of community i felt during this process was very heart-warming. i am glad to call kbin my new home to share with all you kind and wonderful people ( Β΄β½οΌoθͺθͺoοΌΒ΄β½
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Thanks, I love it
glad to hear it!
I've been quietly following the progression on this and think you've done a great job. I was also really impressed by the spirit of collaboration that underpinned all your posts and your solicitation of feedback. Really positive process all round!
I'm truly disappointed. Those are not NFTs. How can I waste my cryptos? /s
What are the terms of use of this mascot? Can one include it in a Kbin mobile app, for example? If you plan to allow its redistribution, you might consider deciding on a proper license for it, e.g. one of Creative Commons.
didnt even think of that, and wouldnt have if you didnt say this lol. ive never done that before, it seems pretty simple, but i don't really know if the license i might choose makes sense. do you think this one is reasonable for what it is? ultimately id like anyone to be able to do anything (adapt, build upon, change, be creative) with it except use it solely for monetary gain. as for someone like ernest or an app dev, if he or the other devs were to recognize Kibby as a mascot, I'd like them specifically to be able to do pretty much whatever they'd want with it (include in mobile app and so on)
The Kbin code is AGPL, so that will likely become the license for the actual art assets if it's put in place officially. The current folder logo is already in the repo and under AGPL. If I were Ernest and wanted this to be part of the project I would ask you to submit it as a PR to Codeberg (and sign any necessary CLAs) so that the assets are properly placed into the repository under its license.
For now you can use CC-BY-NC-SA like you suggested which would allow for profile pics, magazine sidebar images, fan art, and the like. Since this is a SA license the users and mods need to have their modified images released under the same license as well. For a PFP attribution and indication of the license would be difficult and most people probably won't care. Also note that the CC license is irrevocable and people are allowed to use the assets freely outside of Kbin as long as the terms are followed.
As a 3PA dev or a Kbin instance owner I would not touch anything with NC as there is some ambiguity in the NC clause which might be trouble for an instance which say is not for-profit but accepts donations. In addition if the app was open-source they would need to separately license the artwork to maintain compliance with CC-BY-NC-SA.
In the future though Ernest might want to trademark the mascot along with the name Kbin so that it will be used exclusively to represent the project. This would probably require a formal release from you (AGPL won't cut it here) basically giving them the rights to to do whatever they want with it.
Yeah this stuff is messy :) but it's good to know about it and get the conversation started now. I'm actually about to get this account deleted but thought it was worth mentioning this as I've been following the Kbin mascot ideas from the start.
In addition if the app was open-source they would need to separately license the artwork to maintain compliance with CC-BY-NC-SA.
Isn't this true for BY-SA too? Share-alike meaning it's copyleft.
BY-SA is officially listed as one way compatible with the GPL (basically you can distribute a BY-SA asset under the GPL), with the detailed analysis shown here. Kbin is under the AGPL which to my knowledge is not listed as compatible, but it should be fine as AGPL is basically GPL with the condition that the source must be released if the modified program is run on a server and not directly distributed. Keep in mind that BY-SA does allow commercial use and basically is the art equivalent of software's GPL.
IMO the cleanest way to do this would be to distribute Kibby under AGPL directly to Codeberg or grant rights under a custom agreement if Ernest wants this to be the official mascot. Alternatively the Kibby asset could be released under a second license and people hosting their own Kbin instances would have to comply with the second license to use the mascot. This could work as Kibby isn't required for Kbin to function instance owner could easily substitute a different image if they don't agree with the license.
I think it would not just restrict simply selling the image or its derivative works, but also prohibit using it as part of paid product (e.g. paid app). Probably ad-supported websites or apps too, but it's unclear. I'm not lawyer though so it could be wrong.
Personally I have to problem with that but it may deter others so you will need to decide according to your convictions.
Here is great write-up about non-commercial clause by Wikimedia (in 3.5 section): https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Open_Content_-_A_Practical_Guide_to_Using_Creative_Commons_Licences/The_Creative_Commons_licencing_scheme
I really like this. Even if it's not adopted by @ernest to be officially incorporated into Kbin, mods could create little variants to use as the thumbnail for magazines. Really hoping it catches on.
hi ernest, kibby and i are very pleased to hear this!
That sounds a lot like approval! :D
those were my thoughts as well, i even made an example of what it could look like using the @askkbin mag as an example. that would be super cute
Oh god it was an NFT scam this entire time!
But cool work nonetheless
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Kibby sounds like Kbird but cuter and I love it!
I hope all magazines get into the Kibby craze!! All of my magazines will.
BTW, let's get some marketable plushies, hey, merchandise can pay for the servers and junk.
This is great! I added it to my list of Kbin userscripts :)
Thank you for creating and sharing!
nice, hope you enjoy it!
I think I will, thanks! I've also just posted a small list of Kbin userscripts that I like to spread awareness and added yours as well :)
oh thats awesome! speaking of floating subs list, i made a userstyle to make it prettier! its fully customizable. you can add that too if you find it useful and relevant.
Very cool! I will add it to the thread. Thanks for sharing :)
The inverted version looks like Kibby on drugs. π
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He's so handsome! :D
agreed!
I haven't been following this closely. Is Kibby going to be folded in to the kbin project or into kbin.social?
sorry for not being clear. he is an unofficial mascot, not recognized by ernest, but by the community, or at least as many people who have voted and participated in his development.
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Welcome, Kibby! Just installed the script, it's adorable! What script are you using to make the icons round btw?
I am using this userstyle by @thesoloist :D it's my fave
It looks so nice, thank you!
no problem β(α΅α΅α΅)β
omg they are so cute!
thanks!
This is awesome! Thanks for bringing Kibby to life for us!