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Israel war: Israeli foreign minister says Gaza territory will shrink after war
(www.washingtonexaminer.com)
Oh look at that. Ethnic cleansing.
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Oh wow, that's news. Who could have seen Israel stealing more land from Gaza, that's just unprecedented....
Actually that would be quite new, since most of their land-grabbing actions have been in the West Bank, both the rural settlement communities and urban areas around Jerusalem. The Gaza Strip borders have been consistent for a very long time.
But yes, their current approach of levelling buildings and commanding Palestinians to evacuate does lead me to think they might try that in Gaza.
Yet I've seen some delusional people say "Israel is the only one that wants a 2 state solution!"
There it is. Israel wants to kill Palestinians, throw the remaining to anywhere else (Egypt), so they can take all the land to themselves.
Disgusting illegal terrorist state.
The asymmetry of power is so severe that Israel could flatten every building in Gaza and butcher every person there in a single day if they really wanted to. Yes, Israel does horrible things to Palestinians, but if you're going to start from "Israel wants to kill Palestinians", you kinda have to explain why they don't do it even more than they already do.
Public opinion.
Exactly.
The fact that they ask me to explain it to them is a bit weird.
They need to do it in a way where they can still keep their alliance with the US
As bad as exiling them to Egypt would be, that might at least be better than an open air prison getting bombed all the time.
Is that what Ukrainians should do too? Just move somewhere else and let their land be taken by the enemy?
Yeah if they don't want to be a part of Russia. I struggle to sympathize with Ukraine because their government seems so similar to Russia anyway and the county basically has a fake national history.
i will be honest here: it is morally bad and rewards both invasors, but if i were a palestinian or ukrainian person, i would absolutely try to get out and take my whole family with me (and advise and try to help the extended family, and friends and their families too), to egypt jordania rest of MENA, or europe-US respectivelly. I would not want to take a bomb or get shot in neither terrain.
Reminder that the only reason Israel is able to openly carry out ethnic cleansing in Gaza is due to US backing. US is directly responsible for every crime against humanity that Israel is currently engaging in.
EU as well, but yes, US are the most avid.
Sure, EU is largely a vassal of US at this point though EU policy just mirrors the US for the most part.
So... just more western-backed genocidal settler-colonialism.
Surprise surprise. Like it wasn't in their plan all along.
Ya, genocide will do that
Nice way to openly declare your intention to commit crimes under international law.
So, will the people currently living in the to be annexed territory be allowed to become Israeli citizens and retain full rights to their homes? Will the people who left northern Gaza at the instruction of Israel (instructions which Israel used to justify their bombing campaign), be allowed to return to their homes as Israeli citizens?
Will the conditions in a smaller and more densely populated Gaza; where Israeli annexation is now fresh in everyone's living memory be less conducive to terrorism. Will this help Israel's relationship with its Arab neighboors, which had been seeing significant normalization prior to Hamas's attack?
I've been hereing a lot of people warn of this offensive as being a second Nakba. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba Comparing this reporting with what happened in the Nakba, that seems like a scaringly likely prediction.
Looking at how the first Nakba turns out, it is hard to see how anyone can think repeating it will end well for Israel.
Heh, what do you think? Are you saying that Arabs can have the same rights as peaceful Zionist settlers? Surely you must be joking.
Oh he said the quiet part out loud
Well they've already taken [total size of Israeli territory], what's a little more right?
/s
Armchair general here, but if i were to guess israel's plan:
The northern part of Gaza is where the majority of rockets get launched, since they have geographical proximity to several israeli cities from there. IF israel annexes north gaza, that would already be very changing to the military situation. Hamas can obviously launch stuff from south gaza, but the geographical distance to israeli hotspots dramatically increases (by itself an obstacle), AND norh gaza can be transformed into an extended Iron Dome with several military facilities in place to act, not to mention that now Israel only has to watch half the terrain.
The heretofore events point to this possibiliy, since Israel gave the ultimatum to evacuate northern gaza, and south gaza for now seems to be spared from this. Of course, if Israel then eventually proceeds to colonize north gaza with new settlements (aka West Bank 2.0 electric bogaloo) , hamas has a new 'easy' target to hurl stuff into, but the military infrastructure in place will be much more impenetrable, and the local jews would be staunch sionists that accepted the risks and have high morale and preparations to deal with this, and not the mainstream israeli society.
Feel like mainstream Israel society has been pretty dogmatized if they elected that fascist into power again. Agree with the rest of your analysis that they're going to annex as much of Gaza as possible. Israel's goal is to get Palestinians into the Sinai peninsula, with USA support they might do it in the next decade. I'm curious what will happen after the complete annexation of Palestine. Does US weapons aid stop? Does Israel become more of an apartheid state?