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[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure are a lot of liberals suddenly not concerned with whataboutism in this thread.

[–] WHATABOUTISM_DETECTOR@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] superguy@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Easy block.

[–] DivineChaos100@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They couldn't "gone" beyond self defence if it wasn't self-defense to start with.

[–] ezchili@iusearchlinux.fyi 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Rawdogg@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

After decades of brutalising the gazans and stealing land

[–] tegs_terry@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

By civilians?

[–] library_napper@monyet.cc 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Collective punishment is a war crime

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Liberals: LALALALA! LALALALA 👉😩👈

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel hasn't even started their offensive, and already the number of Palestinian civilians killed has gone far beyond the number of Israelis killed in the Hamas raid.

[–] library_napper@monyet.cc 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

They've dropped over 5,000 bombs on Gaza (and counting) including white phosphorus and you say they haven't started their offensive???

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There are, as of yet, no tanks rolling into Gaza. It's all shaping operations and small localised raids so far.

[–] library_napper@monyet.cc 1 points 1 year ago

So there's no ground invasion. But the offensive has started

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, unfortunately.

[–] PatFussy@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (10 children)

China: why dont you do the humane thing and round them up, throw them in camps, force them into slave labor and kill them in mass if they dont get 'reeducated'?

[–] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 3 points 1 year ago

And harvest organs too, economic prosperity, fuck yeah!

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[–] AndyLikesCandy@reddthat.com 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

stop collective punishment

  • Chinese officials collectively punishing Muslims in their own country, for less
[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Collective punishment is when job and language training programs and employment placement. The more language and job skills a Muslim learns, the more collectively punished they are.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Where "job and language training programs" include sitting on the ground next to two hundred other inmates in humiliating postures.

...that said the camps indeed don't seem to be collective punishment from what I've gathered. If you keep your head down and behave Han-like enough and don't complain the Han leave you alone. They're also not bombing cities but just abducting people into camps, telling families to keep quiet about it or they're next because opposing the camps is obviously unpatriotic. Or questioning the state's decisions.

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

A component of CPC ideology is the idea that economic circumstance is the root of almost all problems and that, by extension, radicalization is a byproduct of being left behind by the economic system.

People might be forced into job and language training, but they do come out of it with job and language training (and with radical tendencies mostly eliminated). It's a collectively beneficial policy in the long run, but does step on Western notions of human rights quite aggressively (compulsory and forced education is a no-no).

For what it's worth, China has been trying to differentiate being "Chinese" from being "Han" to varying levels of success. This is in alignment with communist ideology. In fact, much of CPC ideology is drawn from Marxism: China is moving towards communism. In that view, China's behaviour becomes much more predictable, much easier to understand, and also much more reasonable. Communist ideology forms the core tenets of Chinese governance, just like the rights of life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and the principles of liberty, equality, and justice are core tenets of Western democracy.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

radicalization is a byproduct of being left behind by the economic system.

You mean left behind by state capitalism with an absolute fig leaf of a welfare system?

...curious how MLs manage to blame themselves but not notice it. Who are those evil fat cats reaping all the profit leaving Xinjiang in the dust? Who profits now, who failed to invest ages ago?

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Today, Xinjiang is solidly middle of the lack today in both GDP/capita and median income. Meanwhile, minority groups in Xinjiang have progressively narrowed the income gap over the years while in other provinces, Manchu and Hui people have almost eliminated the gap entirely. You're free to read the studies, but a good chunk of them are in Chinese. What is known is that, as a result, terrorist attacks have basically been eradicated. Looking at the data, whatever China has done is clearly working. It's simple, really: income go up, radicalization go down. China brought income up, and radicalization go down.

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[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Source: mouthpieces of western officials collectively punishing Muslims of many other countries, for oil

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

I'm sure everyone involved in fabricating this genocide merely has the best interests of all Muslims at heart.

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is this that whataboutism I've been hearing so much about?

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