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The reason for Android's Notification system being better than iOS, is solely due to the ability to turn off individual aspects of an application's notifications.

Google, the poor multi-billion dollar scrappy startup that maintains Android, made a payment app that has one notification setting, "Google Pay". So all the ads, promotions, everything.

3rd party apps like PhonePe & Paytm have a better system.

How do you manage to maintain this OS?

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[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 81 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Let's be honest though: Android's notification system has been better than iOS's since long before this feature was added. I'd still take Android 7's notifications over iOS's.

Though to be fair, my experience with iOS notifications in recent versions is on iPad, not iPhone. So it might be better than I think nowadays

[–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

They’ve added a couple of channels, “Critical” and “Time Sensitive”, with some options for allowing overrides of focus modes for those channels specifically.

I also like the option for “mute notifications for 1hour /till end of day” I use it frequently when a group chat blows up and I’m not in the mood, or notifications about my server that I’m just not going to deal with rn.

But android is way ahead

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 1 year ago (6 children)

As someone with GPay installed and notify for it enabled right now:

What ads and promotions? I only ever get "you paid for this shit" notifications

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This thread prompted me to look into the Wallet notification settings. There was a setting where Google could send you notifications. I just turned those off. I don't want them, but I also can't remember ever getting one.

I don't really understand what the controversy is about. If an app abuses its notifications permissions to send me spam, I disable it. The post is right, granular notification settings in Android are great. I carry both android and iOS around every day and iOS notifications just kind of build up and periodically get cleared all at once. Too much noise in there. The android notifications are things I actually care about and want to be notified about in a timely fashion.

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[–] Justly0250@lemdro.id 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For me it's their constant Credit Card upsell notifications.

[–] Lazylazycat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I've literally never had this, could be country specific? I'm in the UK.

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[–] danielfgom@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not solely for that reason. The notifications are rich, you can reply from the notification and the notification icons in the top bar tell you what's going on without even opening the shade

[–] thisisartman@mastodon.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@danielfgom true that.
Android's status bar is actually functional.

The reason why Dynamic Island is so exciting to people is that finally, something informative is happening in the status bar 😂.

[–] danielfgom@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You said it better than me. 100% 👍

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[–] Justly0250@lemdro.id 34 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Google, the poor multi-billion dollar scrappy startup that maintains Android, made a payment app that has one notification setting, "Google Pay". So all the ads, promotions, everything.

Amazon is another poor startup that does that on their Android app.

[–] jackmarxist@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Amazon first needs to learn how to make an android app. It's by far the worst experience I've ever had using an app from a big company.

[–] winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why do you need the app on your phone? Just use the website, its perfectly functional on your phone and then you're not giving them all of the data.

[–] jackmarxist@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

If you use Amazon Pay then yeah. Otherwise the website is just a better experience overall.

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[–] jayandp@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

This made me just realize that I turned off Notifications for the Amazon app at some point and never noticed. 😂

I've just been relying on their emails for getting updates on my orders.

[–] wagoner@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago

That's not an accident

[–] thisisartman@mastodon.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@Justly0250 bro don't get me started on the Amazon app. I cannot handle that amount of rage.

The fact that they've made it infinitely more difficult to find the settings in-app is just infuriating.

Good luck finding anything in the in-app settings.

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[–] Anonymousllama@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Best part is when they're shit and don't categorize / separate out their notifications into categories I just turn notifications off. If companies want to play by the rules and have properly segmented notifications I'm happy to let some of them through, else they're all getting disabled

[–] victron@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

AliExpress is one of the worst offenders. If you want "useful" notifications (like order updates) you have to put up with their ads and deals bs. I turn them all off.

[–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Get rid of the app. You really don't need to buy that cheap shit anyways. I got rid of Alli and temu.

[–] ByGourou@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

You have good brands on aliexpress, you just need to be careful before buying. At least better than amazon.
And yeah delete that app, you don't need theses fake 10 cents savings with their shitty coin.

[–] Alonely0@mastodon.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

@DAMunzy @victron there's lots of tech stuff only available on Ali, or that are significantly cheaper there because of currency conversions and scalper resellers on other platforms.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is dev dependent, meaning iOS devs can implement it just as easily, just in an app settings page instead of the systems notification section.

Would it be nice to have in iOS? Absolutely. But it’ll always come down to the devs implementing it.

[–] lea@feddit.de 36 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It is dev dependent, but I don't agree with "devs can implement it just as easily" at all. One only requires using a built-in API to create notification channels (which you have to call anyway), the other requires designing and programming your own page for it.

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[–] plz1@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I always scratch my head at people griping about too many notifications. When I install an app, if it doesn't immediately ask for the ability to send them, I proactively disable them. And if it does, I deny the. Mobile games are the worst about it, for sure I only allow badges for some apps, and even fewer get real notifications, and still fewer can break trough Focus Mode.

iOS "could" allow more granularity, but in reality, spammy apps have a solution (disable them), and apps that want to send both "real" notifications and spam/ads/marketing indiscriminately have another (uninstall or yell at the company that made it by way of lousy app store reviews).

[–] anonymous_bot@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For Android, having apps ask for permission for notifications is a very new feature (debut in Android 13 I think) so by default apps notifications were collectively permitted. It would be up to the user to explicitly go in and disable notifications after the fact. I think many people either didn't know how to access the notification settings or just didn't care enough to disable them.

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Ah, didn’t know that.

[–] SebKra@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also they're just visually bad. The bubbles have way too much spacing. The low-contrast blurry bubbles make everything feel cluttered. When expanding a group, you'll see the same app icon repeated 20 times, while the headlines are clipped. The typography doesn't feel right: headlines are too large, text styles on individual notifications are too similar and the line heights are too small. The scheduled summary was a nice idea, but again it's blurred background on blurred backgrounds. And if all of that wasn't cluttered enough, let's make everything overlap at bottom.

Apple is usually really good at this, I don't know what this particular design team was smoking.

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[–] snowadv@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Only to find out that it creates new channel each time the old one is unavailable.

Yes, Viber?! F it - I disabled calls channel so I don't receive scam calls in it - why would it recreate it?

Proof: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Lv5omRMhc9EBdv7YA

[–] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fucking cancerous, I’d immediately delete an app that behaves that way. It’s malware.

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[–] baatliwala@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some channels are dynamic, so theoretically it could be a calls channel for each different person calling.

That said I feel like I have seen an issue similar to yours for many different apps which use dynamic channels so I think this is due to poor coding and not malicious behaviour.

[–] snowadv@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Good point about dynamic channels (even though it sounds bad if you consider the notification channel's purpose) but not true in that particular case: I've talked to a bunch of people using Viber and it still has only one active "call" channel

Probably bad coding - should create notification channel when there's no existing one atm somehow. Probably disabling notification channel also triggers recreation

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[–] 30p87@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

And in contrast to iOS there's eg. AutoNotification. So even with some very bad and intrusive apps, like my App tracking me driving and giving discounts if I'm good, that don't allow such fine settings and refuse to work without all notifications on, you can just block specific ones. In my case it's things like status information, reminders etc.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago

Until you want to use anything AOSP. They you get to use UnifiedPush with apps like ntfy

[–] pico@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah works well until I have like 6 undismissable notifications that clutter my shit :(

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[–] hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Curious: do OEM Android users also get granular app permissions? (Like turning sensors off at the app level)

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[–] soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Android notifications are definitely nice. I just hope they eventually get the focus functions from iOS. I know Samsung already has it but still would be nice to have a built-in version

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[–] limerod@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

You do realize Google Pay is not maintained by the same set of people who maintain android. The 1 notification option is pathetic, but you get what you get. The android apps are not maintained, so they fit and follow all of android's guidelines. If they were. You would be seeing material you theming in most of them where applicable.

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