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[–] henry1917@lemmy.world 35 points 5 days ago (9 children)

Real Marxists know Marx didn't morally condemn the rich. He wanted the workers to take hold of the productive forces created under capitalism and organize it under a rational basis.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yup. The great issue with capitalism, is that it wasn't formally designed to enrich society as a whole. It merely is an upgraded iteration of feudalism. You can give a pig a top hat and monocle, but it is still a pig.

We will need a new Constitution, one built to acknowledge that Economics is power. The framers addressed politics and violence, but overlooked the fundamental impact that money has on society. Floors and ceilings on wealth should be implemented, so that the likes of Musk or Trump cannot exist.

[–] adm@lemm.ee 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well yes, the framers of the constitution were mostly from the merchant class. If you reframe the document with that in mind you can see that they wanted an almost libertarian system that allowed them to make money without being hindered by nobility or other rich white dudes. Except for Thomas Paine. Thomas Paine was cool.

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[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 234 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Relevant quote from St. Basil:

"Who is the covetous man? One for whom plenty is not enough. Who is the defrauder? One who takes away what belongs to everyone. And are not you covetous, are you not a defrauder, when you keep for private use what you were given for distribution? When some one strips a man of his clothes we call him a thief. And one who might clothe the naked and does not—should not he be given the same name?

The bread in your hoard belongs to the hungry; the cloak in your wardrobe belongs to the naked; the shoes you let rot belong to the barefoot; the money in your vaults belongs to the destitute. All you might help and do not—to all these you are doing wrong"

[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 70 points 6 days ago (4 children)

"Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’

Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’ Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

I have always loved how simply Jesus spells it out.

As a kid, I always felt it was so implausible that the Jews would kill Jesus. Yes he claims to be God, which is a no-no, but how can a message of peace and love be so divisive? As an adult, I've come to realize that it's divisive to people who are angry and filled with hate, to people who hate peace and love. The Pharisees of 30CE are the exact same as most Christians today. If you walked in to some Trump country Baptist church today and flipped over the collection plates and told everyone there they were going to hell because the want to deport immigrants instead of help them, you'd be shot for sure.

[–] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 35 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

you’d be shot for sure

Do you think it's a coincidence that MLK was only shot once he started speaking out against the rich and unifying the lower class (of all races)? I'm not saying there was a conspiracy (though I wouldn't rule it out) or that MLK was the second coming or a prophet, but it's pretty clear he started making the ruling class nervous once he started talking about class war.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's always a good time to remind people that MLK's family proved in civil court that the government killed MLK (either through intent or negligence) to enough of a degree that the judge was convinced and awarded them restitution on the charges. And the only reason that the case didn't go to a criminal court was because every judge who read the case refused it.

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 25 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Hell we have a copy of the letter the FBI sent to Dr. King instructing him to kill himself and save them the trouble.

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[–] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 58 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Jesus was a socialist

This is a reminder there is no such thing as a “Christian” just people who pretend to be so they have an excuse to act unchristian like towards anyone they envy.

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 23 points 5 days ago

Jesus was a socialist

[–] Grazed@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago (12 children)

I was raised conservative Christian and I lost my faith in university. You're 100% right but I sometimes feel a strong urge to "convert" back but only practice the cool parts. Like I'd one-up christians and quote Jesus' most socialist verses at them. Maybe start a Facebook page about how the NT has been corrupted in this modern day, conspiracy-theorist style, but the hidden message is just Marxism.

I feel like somebody out there has embodied that, and I'd like to give them space to reclaim the word Christian for themself at least.

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

My father in law is a member of the communist party and was a theology professor at a prestigious university, he's also a catholic and went to seminary (didn't become a priest though). Point is that there are absolutely leftist Christians out there. You can lead by example.

But also keep in mind that there have been people out there spreading these words, the problem is that when they get too influential, they get disappeared or murdered

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

This is a reminder there is no such thing as a “Christian” just people who pretend to be so they have an excuse to act unchristian like towards anyone they envy.

I swear they need to change the name of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy to "No True Christian"

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[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 15 points 5 days ago (28 children)

no such thing as a “Christian”

Huh?

Another socialist Christian a little more recent than Jesus: you might remember Dr. King. Christianity deserves much more criticism and this is an absolutely correct criticism towards most people who profess to be Christians.

But speaking so absolutely usually means you're wrong. There are plenty of Christians who actually follow Christ and are working to make the world better.

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[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 125 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Yeah but he also said to love each other, and people quickly realized that he was wrong.

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 83 points 6 days ago

And then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change...

[–] Toribor@corndog.social 76 points 6 days ago (2 children)

That's not Jesus, that's Willem Dafriend.

[–] Retrograde@lemmy.world 47 points 6 days ago

You know, I'm something of a saint myself

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[–] raina@sopuli.xyz 91 points 6 days ago (2 children)

You know, I'm something of a leftist myself.

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 38 points 5 days ago (15 children)

Remember that the louder the Christian the less Christian they actually are.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 65 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

WWJD?

Get apprehended and sent to a gulag in El Salvador.

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[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 59 points 6 days ago

Jesus is looking friendly, but also like he could totally go crazy and flip a money lenders table. It's hard to tell if he is dafriend or dafoe.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 68 points 6 days ago (16 children)

There are no moral billionaires. Rich men do not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. There are no billionaires in Paradise. In the end, every last one of them burns.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 35 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Unfortunately they’re doing their best to burn the rest of us in this life.

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[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 55 points 6 days ago (13 children)

I don't know who Colin Bodayle is, but from the responses he got from his students I think he is located in the US. There is rot in the US culture that's too deep, Trump is just it surfacing. Greed, individualism and selfishness are considered virtues, I noticed it when talking to coworkers there through the years. If Jesus ever went to the US he'd be crucified that is if he wasn't arrested at the border by ICE for being a Palestinian. The US claims to be a Christian nation, yet it is the furthest from it. What good is your religion if it doesn't make you do good? What good is your religion if it doesn't make you overcome your selfishness and greed?

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[–] Caitlyynn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 4 days ago

Jesus is the og communist

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 69 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I don't know where that candid jesus image is from but it has so much Dicaprio Raising Drink energy that if it hasn't been memed already then it should

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 89 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

Pretty sure that is Willem Dafoe from The Last Temptation of Christ.

And yeah, it has Buddy Christ energy.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 70 points 6 days ago

He's something of a messiah, himself.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 49 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 35 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

This is one of those shadow boxing christians threads. Yeah, maybe you all look cool in the mirror but they're going to wake up tomorrow with no idea you insulted their entire belief structure.

Don't get me wrong. I loved it when my dad asked, "when did you stop being christian" because I vehemently am against his every belief. I loved turning the tables on him and asking the same with regards to everything trump has said and done. End of the day though he'll just go back to his hidey hole, and myself too.

If you have religious friend you should try it. Call them on trumps shit and the when they invoke god, which they always do, ask, "who's god" because Jesus doesn't want this shit.

[–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] FrChazzz@lemm.ee 38 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I’m going to say this as a priest ordained in Christ’s One, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church (Episcopal branch): that choice of Jesus image is chef’s kiss

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[–] Tomassci@sh.itjust.works 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Capitalism makes us worship capital so we cannot worship God and then blames it on LGBT.

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[–] 4shtonButcher@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Does anyone have that slide deck? Asking for a friend

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[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 38 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Christ's teachings were an inspiration to Marx

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[–] Nunar@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Oh man! I want that presentation for an Easter dinner I have coming up!

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