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[–] boughtmysoul@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

“Do me a personal favour. Take the pen!”

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 533 points 1 week ago (15 children)

The reason not to use pencils in Space wasn't that Pencil are inflamable, the main reason was the graphit dust produced by Pencils, which because of the lack of gravity, enter floating in the electronic, causing short circuits as main risk.

[–] ninja@lemmy.world 269 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 50 points 1 week ago (7 children)

That is something I found weird, too. Inflammable and flammable mean the same thing!

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Technically, I think they're different. Flammable means that it can be lit on fire, like wood or something. Whereas inflammable means it can catch fire on its own, like gas, for example.

Edit: after some googling, it appears that my source was shit and should be disregarded. They do indeed appear to be synonyms. And also, I was thinking of gasoline. I think I was thinking of the "gas pedal" and that threw me off.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago

Synonyms, true synonyms. No real difference between them (except don't use inflammable in safety situations, for above reasons)

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[–] Midnitte@beehaw.org 27 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Probably not great for eyes or noses or filtration systems either

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[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Also a broken bit of lead could easily float into someone's eye or get aspirated.

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[–] jjagaimo@sh.itjust.works 189 points 1 week ago (18 children)

Besides that, NASA wasn't the one that funded the research behind the pen, they bought the completed pens. The expenses for the research were funded by Fisher

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[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 93 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Plus, inhaling graphite dust since it doesn't fall doesn't sound fun.

[–] Tiptopit@feddit.org 69 points 1 week ago

Plus, graphite dust and electronics are also not a great combination.

[–] termaxima@jlai.lu 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It’s carbon dust, which your body is pretty good at dealing with, and in quantities so trivial you probably already inhale more currently than you would using a pencil in an otherwise mostly sterile spaceship (at least sterile compared to earth)

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[–] holycrap@lemm.ee 65 points 1 week ago (1 children)

NASA used crayons before those space pens, and iirc the pens were available for a while before they tried them

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[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 56 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also you DON'T FUCKING WANT GRAPHITE DUST FLOATING AROUND IN ZERO G

[–] pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Why not? I'm not well versed in the theme. Would it be flammable?

edit: just saw another post mentioning this: lack of gravity, enter floating in the electronic, causing short circuits as main risk.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Also your body doesn't do a good job of breaking it down either. Id imagine that in your lungs would suck.

I have a piece of graphite in my leg from 7th grade still. I'm 33.

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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago (14 children)

also, fucking pencil shavings?

pencil shavings contain graphite (great for getting into shit and shorting shit out) and thin paper (think, kindling)

did the russians gnaw the fucking things sharp? no? idiots...

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[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 1 week ago (6 children)

This is inaccurate. Graphite is not flammable. It forms small particles that, mixed with air, could combust in a dust explosion, just like flour.

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I'm probably just being dense but what's the difference between being flammable and being susceptible to combustion?

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 22 points 1 week ago

In technical safety terms, combustibles are harder to ignite than flammables. So diesel and olive oil are combustibles, for example, because neither of them give off enough ignitable vapour at room temperature. Ethanol does, so it gets classified as flammable, and you need to store and handle it more carefully than diesel. Then there's really horrible stuff like triethylborane which will catch fire upon meeting oxygen even at temperatures well below the freezing point of water

Of course in casual usage they mean the same thing

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (6 children)

They’re referring to the relationship between surface area and combustion. Talc, for example, melts but does not burn. Talc powder can ignite if blown over an open flame.

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[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You're not dense for asking a question. Without asking questions, it's Impossible to learn.

The flash point is different. The flash point is the temperature that is necessary to create enough vapor for the substance to ignite.

Flammable material has a low flash point, which means it catches on fire easily. Think gasoline. Combustibles need a higher initial temperature, but eventually they will burn and sustain the burning until running out. Think wood.

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[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Apollo 1 resulted in a lot of improvements regarding fire safety.

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[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I’ve owned a fair few Fisher Space Pens throughout the years. It’s an interesting bit of space memorabilia that’s functional and affordable. It’s an impressive bit of engineering.

As a space nerd, I love the pen. As a pen guy…. There’s better options. The cartridge just doesn’t write as smooth as I like, nor is it a really bold, saturated line. For daily actual writing use, I use a Lamy Safari rollerball or a Pilot B2P.

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[–] Carl@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Plus pressurized pens are useful in more than just zero-g. I used to use one along with a waterproof note pad for note taking in the field. They're also not prohibitively expensive, although the ones from Fisher itself carry a pretty huge brand name markup, other companies sell them for a couple bucks each.

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[–] BeNotAfraid@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Think of how revolutionary crayola twistables would have been for NASA?

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's a cool pen. "Btw, this pen was the same type of pen used by Astronauts"; I mean, how's that for a conversation starter 😁

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Conversation starter, or an entire episode of Seinfeld

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