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[–] Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 1 points 3 minutes ago

Imagine how OP their colour perception would be if they did have that mental processing power

[–] Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world 1 points 21 minutes ago

I hate that it invalidates this episode of radiolab, which is, without a doubt, a masterpiece of podcasting:

https://youtu.be/jibvu9BHV_k?t=795

i saved the video at the 13 minute mark where they do the audio representation of the vivid colors. still worth a watch/listen

[–] Geodad@lemm.ee 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Technically, all the colors are fake. They're just the halucinations of a brain trying to understand the input from sensory organs.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 5 points 46 minutes ago* (last edited 39 minutes ago) (2 children)

That doesn't make them fake, in the same way that x can mean 2. You are merely representing a given value (in this case light within a certain electromagnetic spectrum) in a useful way.

[–] voodooattack@lemmy.world 1 points 31 minutes ago (1 children)

But is my red the same as your red? Hmmm?

[–] Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world 2 points 25 minutes ago (2 children)

if two people can both point to red and agree that it's red, that's close enough. anything beyond that is just pointless esoteric debate.

[–] voodooattack@lemmy.world 2 points 21 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world 1 points 14 minutes ago
[–] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 22 minutes ago (1 children)

I disagree that it's pointless. I think it may be beneficial to humanity (eventually) to establish whether or not there is an objective reality which we all experience.

[–] Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world 1 points 15 minutes ago (1 children)

i agree, but that's a job for neuroscience, quantum mechanics, and psychology; not a pack of dorks on the fediverse.

[–] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 minutes ago

But I want to contribute to humanity in a meaningful way!

-me, a dork on the Fediverse nearly incapable of contributing to humanity in a meaninful way

[–] Geodad@lemm.ee 3 points 44 minutes ago

I hadn't thought about it that way.

[–] Wizzard@lemm.ee 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

But compared with human eyesight, they could still see more 'colors' - As we see (almost) the same white in incandescent bulbs as LEDs and fluorescents, they might actually see the component colors and their intensities.

Not unlike how we may hear a combination tone when multiple other tones are played, and hear the difference (or sum) of them.

[–] WhatsTheHoldup@lemmy.ml 1 points 23 minutes ago

How would you suggest they do that. White light near equally activates our 3 cones because all spectrums of light are in it.

White light near equally activates all 12 shrimp cones because all spectrums of light are in it.

Which spectrum of color is left out of white light that wouldn't light up a cone associated with it?

[–] baatliwala@lemmy.world 23 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I need to use wherewithal more in my daily life

[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

Every lunar month, when there is a full moon, i try quitting caffeine

werewithdrawal

(I initially misread you comment)

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 8 points 6 hours ago

I wish I had the wherewithal to use it more often.

[–] Philharmonic3@lemmy.world 19 points 12 hours ago

My whole world is crumbling

[–] BlushedPotatoPlayers@sopuli.xyz 9 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Disappointed. But didn't the have receptors for differently polarized light? What about that?

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 4 points 2 hours ago

Polarization filters on retinal photoreceptor won't make light wavelength (color) be perceived different, it just changes the conditions in which it's detected. If those polarized cells would cover unique colors compared to the rest, it would kinda resemble the highlight effect in Mirror's Edge, where something with a different angle than the surroundings stand out (sudden color gradient)

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago

Color me appointed, at least we're not missing out on fresh new colors!

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 41 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

How did they test if they could see color? Did they make little shrimp dioramas or something?

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 41 points 13 hours ago

They asked them politely

[–] GoodLuckToFriends@lemmy.today 26 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The easiest way is to use the principles of conditioning. Pair a stimulus with a certain color light, then start flashing up different colored lights. If the organism is cued to the stimulus by multiple colors of lights, it means that they can't really distinguish between them.

That's how we tested when kids lose the ability to distinguish certain phonemes.

[–] Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world 1 points 24 minutes ago

it makes me happy when people understand science.

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 14 points 13 hours ago

They give them a miniature color blind print that has those numbers in them that are hidden if you are color blind.

[–] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 36 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The shrimp are holier than we are because they cannot see the devil's color (it's pink 🩷)

[–] pzzzt@lemmy.world 20 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Panamalt@sh.itjust.works 19 points 13 hours ago

That is clearly embarrassed white

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 49 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Reminds me a little of CD digital audio. The original Red Book audio standard hasn't really been improved upon because it's uncompressed audio which covers basically all of the range of human hearing within the capabilities of any speaker we could build. It's uncompressed because in the early 80's when the tech hit the market, it was completely unfeasible to include the CPU and RAM needed to decompress audio in real time.

Shrimp has more color receptors because he doesn't have enough neurons to run trichromacy, so he sees in EGA.

[–] gabereal@sopuli.xyz 29 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Shrimp has more color receptors because he doesn’t have enough neurons to run trichromacy, so he sees in EGA.

love this. nice job :)

VGA vs EGA, from the game 'Police Quest 3'

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 18 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I remember experiencing the EGA to VGA graphics evolution when I was growing up. I remember thinking the VGA almost seemed too real.

In my mind, this was a game that felt like it was pretend:

But this felt entirely too real:

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Have you played The Crimson Diamond? EGA is back, baby!

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

If you love the old murder mystery games like the Laura Bow Mystery Series, you will enjoy this game

Oh man, I had completely forgotten about the old Laura Bow games! Might have to check this out!

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

Oh man.

12 year old me waiting for hours to rip mp3s from cds always wondered about this.

Like why isn't it already compressed?

The answer is that storage was available but processing wasn't. Amaze.

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[–] taulover@sopuli.xyz 124 points 20 hours ago (10 children)

The way mantis shrimp see is nonetheless super cool and interesting. They likely have no conception of 2D color at all, and can only sense the 12 different colors in general. Furthermore, only the midband of their eyes see color, when the eyes are moving and scanning for prey, they don't see color at all, which probably helps offload mental load for their small brains. Once they do see something, they then stop moving their eyes to determine the color of what they're looking at.

Also, mantis shrimp have 6 more photoreceptors in addition to the 12 colored ones, to detect polarized light. They likely see them the same way that they see color, so they probably don't consider them anything different than wavelength which is what we interpret as color.

Ed Yong's An Immense World has a section on this and I'd highly recommend it. The ways animals sense and perceive the world are often so different for ours and it's so fascinating.

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 60 points 19 hours ago (8 children)

I think this speaks to a significant misunderstanding that most people hold of the way vision actually works.

Most people imagine that vision is a relatively simple process by which our eyes detect and transmit to us the nature of the world. Not so.

Eyes are complex and interesting organs in their own right but fundamentally what they do is relatively simple. They are able to detect and report to the brain certain qualities of the light that hits them. Primarily these are: intensity, direction, and proximity to three points on the frequency spectrum (what we perceive as red, green, and blue). But this data alone is not vision. Vision is a conscious experience our brains create by interpreting and processing this data into the visual field before us—basically, a full scale 3D model of the world in front of us, including the blended information on reflection and emission that color entails.

Quite amazing! Most of this takes place in the human brain, and not the eyes. From this perspective, it is not terribly surprising that an organism with more complex eyes but a much simpler brain might have worse vision than we do.

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