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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 80 points 3 days ago (1 children)

After Vance showed the anti europe rhetoric wasn't just a front in the recent leak every european defence department should be following suite.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn't put it as terribly anti-Europe. They're right in that we've provided security for Europe since WW2.

To think we got nothing out of that arrangement is a solid chunk of dumb.

It's one of those few things where I can see the grain of truth, but you know they're going to execute as though they're watering our crops with Brawndo.

Tariffs can also be good. When used wisely and in moderation. Tariffs on the heavily subsidized Chinese green energy market makes sense. Tariffs to reduce reliance on cheap Chinese manufacturing makes sense. Blanket 25% tariffs on Mexico and Canada do not.

[–] Distractor@lemm.ee 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh please.

If the USA hadn't destroyed Iran's democracy, the houthis wouldn't have Iranian funding and would be a non-issue, and that's just touching the tip of the mess the USA caused in the Middle East. There's a reason the Houthi slogan says "Death to America" and not "Death to Europe".

How about taking responsibility for cleaning up your own mess? Also, feel free to contribute to the costs of all the refugees the USA created for Europe.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Not to mention the US-Saudi genocide of Yemen that's still currently ongoing

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I am so tempted to put this entire comment in bold and all caps! But I'll try to control myself, so here goes:

I was so pissed we bought those F-35, at the time, the plane was a shitshow of bugs, delays and budget overruns.
We should at a minimum have waited.

I aired my views many times, and was always met with stupidity parroting the propaganda about how superior the plane was. At a time where for instance it could only fly for a shortened period of time, due to software bugs, that could cause pilots to lose control of the plane.

But Obama was under pressure, and Denmark was very pro Obama, and I suspect we bought them to help Obama in situation where he was being cornered by Republicans, about even more budget overruns. Denmark purchasing the plane, looked good on the budget, so Obama very much wanted us to buy them! It was corruption at the very top!

Am I still pissed about how this turned out? You can bet your ass I'm pissed!!
I know this situation with Trump was impossible to predict, but even without that, we should never have bought them!

[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

As an American, I am not an accelerationist, but I am somewhat darkly satisfied to see the military industrial complex reach the Find Out stage.

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 30 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This has to be the way forward for European countries. Also, integrate defense doctrines with the perspective of a joint army.

[–] nogooduser@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The West can’t trust America anymore when they used to be the most reliable partner which shows that everyone needs to reduce their reliance on external states as much as possible.

We relied on Russia for energy when they weren’t a friendly country. We still rely on China for tech and manufacturing and they can’t be described as friendly. And then we find out that we’re too reliant on USA who also turned out to be unfriendly.

[–] justgohomealready@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Within Europe we need to trust one another, otherwise each one of us is a small, insignificant country facing giants. How would Slovenia or Portugal ever develop their own figther jets? We either stick together, or we'll be easy prey for the modern empires.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

Just remember as Europe is forced into closer and closer alliance and unification, that the enemy is not China or Russia or the U.S.

To see the real enemy, you must look within.

The enemy is the 1%. The oligarchs. Remember that they are in Europe as well, and they want the same thing there as they have here in the U.S.

[–] libra00@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I both love and hate that Trump's isolationist bullshit that is purportedly about rebuilding American jobs is actually hurting American jobs in direct and measurable ways like this.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm struggling to see how annexing the Panama Canal, Canada, stealing Greenland from a founding member of NATO, and engaging in pro-fascist election interference with the EU is isolationist. But that's MAGA bullshit for you.

[–] libra00@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Well yeah, I meant economically, but fair.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 days ago

and more will follow, thank goodness

Rump bragged he would basically sabotage the utility of weapons and equipment the US sells to allies.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I'm trying to, I wish the grocery store would put labels on these things

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Generally speaking, our produce isn't weaponized. Mostly. As long as it doesn't contain sugar. We definitely weaponized sugar.