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Racism in Germany is the norm not the exception – DW – 03/23/2025 (www.dw.com)
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[–] febra@lemmy.world 46 points 6 days ago (1 children)

As a german citizen with an immigrant background from Eastern Europe, I can confirm this. It's bad enough for a white looking, german passing eastern european. My friends from the Middle East or Africa have had a much, much worse experience than I ever will. Hell, I was walking down the street with my black friend once and some guys in their early twenties decided it'd be funny to scream the N word at us out of their car while also telling us to "go back where we came from".

Or another interesting story, I was at McDonalds the day right after the Hamas attack on Israel happened. Apparently the cashier thought it'd be acceptable to tell the muslim woman (that was obviously just a student or a tourist coming from abroad cause she had a huge suitcase with her with those airline tags on it) in front of me that she should learn german or don't come here, then said shit like "only thing you muslims know to do is behead people" and gestured with his hand at his neck the movement of cutting someone's head off. I was the only one to intervene and tell him it's not okay. All the pasty ass german boomers behind me just stayed in line and waited for their shitty burgers to arrive, literally no words of condemnation.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 7 points 4 days ago

As an American I'm sometimes caught off guard by European racism. Ethno-nationalism makes zero sense here - everyone's an immigrant, except for the massively opressed indigenous Indians. I can see how it could make a kind of sense in a country that's had one ethic group for centuries, but given his many wars and how much migration has happened over the last 1,000 years in Europe such attitudes can be dubious in places. Even still, it's stupid, denying the humanity of people who are just trying to get by like everyone else.

The way people are racist is somewhat different, sure to different cultures and histories. I wonder how much American racism y'all have imported; we have rather different histories with different ethnicities than y'all have. Even different parts of America have different kinds and degrees of racism from each other. It's a big fucking country.

[–] frebib@social.nerdhouse.io 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Wtf is that date format

[–] max_dryzen@mander.xyz 13 points 4 days ago

United America States format

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It cracks me up how white people in usa and europe both think that europe is a post-racial utopia instead of an extremely racist colonial empire.

[–] Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 21 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Can you tell me some areas in the world that are more multi-cultural and less racist than western Europe?

For example, Singaporeans are wilding about Indians coming to their country for economic reasons. Working day and night, outcompeting locals. Bringing in more Indians.

I've been outside of Europe, you know what I saw? A lot of mono cultures such as Europe in the 1900s.

[–] SpicyColdFartChamber@lemm.ee 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

You are right, it's true everywhere. It's human nature to be wary of people you don't understand. But, for some things, you'd expect countries that are a lot further ahead in progressivism to be "nicer", especially since, you know, they industrialised and became richer on the backs of poorer countries.

Though I suppose that's very difficult to quantitatively measure exactly - how progressive someone is (on the scale of a country). How more accepting they are than other countries.

But there's also room for letting people air out their issues without being told that "everyone is like this, stop whining". That's literally what the Russian goverment does, they implicitly tell their populace that democracy doesn't work and that this is the best deal they'll ever get.

[–] Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Ah it can always be better. Fun fact, 80% of Congolese cobalt is owned by Chinese companies.

Strong economies trade with weak economies. Ends up in a win win situation. China only became a strong economy through the trade with priorly developed economies.

So I'm going to ignore that argument a bit. Worst thing we could do for "global south" would be to stop trading with them. It'd be called sanctioning them.

Now, eh, we got our issues to tackle in Europe. But as someone who was born in 1995, I have seen how my society has transformed. Brussels in the 90s compared to today is day and night in terms of diversity.

Now you can always say like "there's racism!!! This is a shit hole to live in!!!"

But then.. come on, it's not that bad. I know 20% of Europe is voting anti immigration political parties. But these are usually the less educated folks.

Get educated, you won't even be in contact with them.

My wife's pregnant. Our kid will be indonesian-Belgian in ethnicity (or Chinese/Japanese whatever, she keeps being called Chinese in her own country lol)

So our kid will grow up in bit of a racist environment. No matter where we live.

Well, we have the privilege to live anywhere in the world that we want. My wife prefers Belgium.

I'll trust her judgement.

We can always improve, but we live in a pretty good place.

[–] G3NI5Y5@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 days ago

This upsets me deeply. I'm German and I really don't care where people come from or how they look. Sure there are some prejudices in my mind, but I actively fight against them, because we're all just humans.

My partner comes from a South Asian country and I just see her as a bit more tanned than me, who is more pale. I genuinely don't understand the concept of skin colours and I'm regularly confused by it, believe it or not.

I'm sorry for everyone who is confronted with racism etc. I deeply hope that some day we overcome these arbitrary things that divide us.