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Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that Ukraine would have to make concessions over land that Russia had taken since 2014 as part of any agreement to end the war.

Mr. Rubio spoke as he was flying to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, for talks with senior Ukrainian officials, and 10 days after a contentious White House meeting between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. The Trump administration halted military aid to Ukraine after the blowup, which centered on Mr. Trump’s refusal to include any security guarantees in a proposed deal involving Ukraine’s natural resources.

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[–] Jakule17@lemmy.world 43 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

We don’t negotiate with terrorists my ass

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 76 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

Imagine a hypothetical scenario in which Mexico invades the United States, takes complete control over the state of New Mexico, and right in the middle of the conflict Great Britain says "the war needs to end", drafts a ceasefire proposal that allows them take control of half of the country's natural resources, and offers no security guarantees in the event that Mexico decides to attack again. If you refuse, the British will stop sending military aid to help you continue fighting. Oh, and Mexico gets to keep New Mexico.

Who in their right fucking mind thinks that this is a good deal? Any sensible person would rather continue fighting than give up their advantage for some flimsy ceasefire that won't stand up to an invader hellbent on conquest.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 15 points 17 hours ago

And that's after Mexico violated a non-aggression pact and conquered Arizona.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 16 points 21 hours ago (7 children)

Lol. Remember when a bunch of assholes voted 3rd party or didn't vote because they were upset with Democrat's handling of foreign affairs?

Clown country.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 10 hours ago

both stein and rfk got around 800+k votes. though i suspect many of them R voters on the fence.

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[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago

I saw a mouse poop and its poop was saying that Ukraine should give territory and other things. I just ignored it and moved on my trail this morning. Can't let poop dictate world order.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
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[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 113 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I miss the good old ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

If someone breaks into your house, kicks your dog and rapes your wife, you don’t negotiate to let them keep your TV. You shoot that fucker between the eyes. That’s what we need to be doing.

[–] commander@lemmings.world 62 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I miss the good old ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

Pretty sure that was only a thing in movies.

We negotiate with terrorists all the time.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

US literally funds terrorists, gives them weapons, and gives them CIA training to do terrorism. It's like all these terrorist leaders went to the same school, of Americas.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

Ken: Colonel, the guy you bagged is Dr. Amir Teraki, Pakistani. PhD in Astrophysics, educated at Harvard.

Colonel Tom Devoe: That's right, people. We educated half the world's terrorists.

The Peacemaker wasn't that well received but that line stuck with me.

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[–] Aux@feddit.uk 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

That US never existed.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

it did in the movies, in here lies the problem.

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[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

I don't see any peace deal unless there is security guarantees, it is not peace without guarantees.

This just embolden russia to rape Ukraine again for more lands. Marco Rubio is promoting a forever war.

Ukraine guarantees were taken away when the nukes were taken away.

[–] commander@lemmings.world 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Why do you put stock in security guarantees now?

Ukraine had security "guarantees" when Russia invaded because they gave up their nukes that Western nation have not followed through on.

[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

Memorandum was not really a guarantee. NATO is more of a guarantee, nukes are more of a guarantee. Guarantee means NATO and/or Nukes.

Don't need to believe it will work, Nukes and NATO has worked in the past to maintain peace along russia borders.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 1 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

NATO membership is off the table, virtually no NATO country wants Ukraine to join.

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[–] supercriticalcheese@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

Security garantee is only worth as much as the nation giving it wants to honour it.

With this president is meaningless

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[–] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 44 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Without security guarantees, this isn't a "peace" deal, it's a capitulation and an invitation for future aggression from Russia.

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[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I hope Ukraine doesn’t cede anything at all.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml -3 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

That’s not realistic unfortunately

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[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 314 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 135 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yep, it's treason. And it's not just one guy.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 11 points 20 hours ago

An entirely treasonous party.

If you support a traitor, you are a traitor.

The old Republican party is dead. Now it's only grifters and sycophants who are 100% willing to be treasonous to get what they want.

And so far the "land of the brave" is rolling over and letting them do it.

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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 259 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Someone should invade Rubio's house and demand the deed to one of his rooms before they'll leave.

[–] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don’t see any peace deal happening that doesn’t involve ceding territory.

That said if I were Zelenskyy I would tell the US to pound sand and find someone else to mediate a more favourable deal, maybe Türkiye.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 1 points 12 hours ago

If Zelenskyy tells the US to pound sand, the US cuts off military assistance and intelligence sharing again.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Says the same guys who called Putin the victim while talking with Zelensky...

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 153 points 1 day ago (2 children)

FUCK YOU LITTLE MARCO

shithead.

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[–] rylock@lemm.ee 135 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

"Turns out, Russia doesn't want to concede anything and demanded more Ukrainian land. Well, we tried. Clearly, it's high time for Ukraine to stop getting in the way of peace."

  • Little Marco in a week
[–] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 day ago

"we've tried nothing and we're already out of ideas"

[–] Nunar@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Rubio is a snowflake bitch. As bad as Americans are right now, we're going to eat him in 2-3 years. Stay strong! Slava Ukraine!

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 90 points 1 day ago (6 children)

At the rate we're going, I wouldn't be surprised if trump drops all sanctions against Russia, and starts even funding them and providing them US weapons and Intel. I just wouldn't be surprised.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

I think he was already pushing for that not too long ago, but all the bad press lately has him backpedalling and promising Sanctions and Tariffs, but still won't give back the foreign aid he took away.

I wonder what the useful idiot Elon Musk thinks about this, given he's shown fealty to Putin several times already.

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