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Source Link Privacy.Privacy test result

https://themarkup.org/blacklight?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tarlogic.com%2Fnews%2Fbackdoor-esp32-chip-infect-ot-devices%2F&device=mobile&location=us-ca&force=false

Tarlogic Security has detected a backdoor in the ESP32, a microcontroller that enables WiFi and Bluetooth connection and is present in millions of mass-market IoT devices. Exploitation of this backdoor would allow hostile actors to conduct impersonation attacks and permanently infect sensitive devices such as mobile phones, computers, smart locks or medical equipment by bypassing code audit controls.

Update: The ESP32 "backdoor" that wasn't.

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[–] NightCrawlerProMax@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (13 children)

The other day someone posted in Canada community that Canada should stop using Tesla cars and import Chinese cars. I replied saying, “That’s like replacing one evil with another.” I was downvoted by a lot of people. I should’ve expected it cuz a lot of people have short term memory.

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Because that's not about privacy, that's about the trade war. Retaliatory tariffs on US cars increase cost of cars for Canadians, as there are almost no car assembled in Canada. Reducing or eliminating tariffs on cars from China would lower cost of new cars for Canadians while keeping the tariffs up.

For privacy and security, not a single new car on the market is decent right now. That should be regulated, but that's no concern for any politician at the moment.

[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Europe and its 50 car makers could also be considered instead of China..

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, but Canada had implemented 100% tariff on cars from China, following the US. That's pre-trade war. The proposal is to lift that one.

[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 1 points 22 hours ago

Ah, I see. Thanks!

[–] NightCrawlerProMax@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (5 children)

CCP has backdoor into every tech that comes out of China. It’s not about just privacy. They control democracies based on shaping narratives. They’ll utilize everything that democracy offers and use it against countries. They don’t have freedom of speech or press so they themselves are not victims of it. EVs are really just computers on the road. Flooding the market with Chinese EVs would just mean creating a massive free network on a foreign soil for them.

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[–] Montreal_Metro@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

A lot of people are dumb. Or maybe because they feel offended because they are Chinese, but the reality is that every Chinese company is ultimately controlled by the CCP. If I was fighting a cold war, I would do the same. Sell compromised devices to my trade partners (AKA enemies) so I have leverage when I need it.

Or maybe because they feel offended because they are Chinese

I'm Chinese-American and I'm not offended. The tankies from .ml are

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[–] Legume5534@lemm.ee 12 points 1 day ago

There's been a lot of that lately. Same here in New Zealand.

You dipshits, they're both the bad guys now.

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[–] fuamerikkka@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (11 children)

This turned racist / xenophobic real quickly.

There have been several other posts about this without mentioning China at all, especially in the post itself.

No where in the article does it say "chinese", literally anywhere.

Check your racism.

Edited to remove where I stated it was manufactured. I did a quick search and found a couple mentions, but did not thoroughly check sourced. Apologies.

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[–] RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I’d like to know if this is just a firmware update or unfixable, but sadly this seems just an ad rather than news

[–] badlotus@discuss.online 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Here’s an article with a bit more detail… but I’m still unclear whether these backdoor commands are hardware circuits or firmware logic.

Bleeping Computer: Undocumented "backdoor" found in Bluetooth chip used by a billion devices

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There is nothing to "fix". Undocumented instructions have just been found in the silicon but they are not executable unless the ESP32's firmware their owner flashed to give it a purpose uses them. No pre-2025 firmware that we know of uses these instructions, and they might turn out to be buggy so compilers might not adopt them. If they turn out OK, the documentation of the instruction set will need an update, and compilers will be able to take advantage of the new instructions.

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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (12 children)

The Chinese adding back doors into their software/hardware.

Say it ain't so!

[–] Dekkia@this.doesnotcut.it 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It ain't so.

To use the "backdoor" an attacker needs to have full access to the esp32 powered device already.

It's like claiming that being able to leave your desk without locking your PC is a backdoor in your OS.

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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 23 points 1 day ago

Say it ain't so
Your bug is a heartbleeder
Say it ain't so
My NIC is a bytetaker

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[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago

One more reason to have actual open-source drivers instead of binary blobs..

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I couldn’t find a list of devices. Anyone else find one?

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

That's like saying "I want a list of all devices with ATmega328P." Anyone can make a unique device with this chip as the processor, in fact I have. It's a chip with an extremely low barrier of entry thanks to extensive documentation, lots of dev boards and libraries. Not as low as the 555 (lots of people's first IC) but WAY lower than anything you'd traditionally consider a 32-bit CPU.

Anyway, even if you obtained the list magically, it would be of little use. To be clear: this is not an exploit. The chip just has more instructions than previously thought – instructions that you write into your program when building an ESP32 device. This can make some programs a little faster or smaller but you still need to flash them onto the microcontroller – using physical access, OTA (if you set it up in the existing FW) or some exploit (in someone's OTA implementation, perhaps).

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[–] embed_me@programming.dev 16 points 1 day ago (8 children)

The article is talking about the Espressif ESP32 micro controller (has Wi-Fi/Classic Bluetooth/BLE).

I don't know if the variants of this chip also have the same vulnerability (my guess is yes). As someone who works on this chip, I'm interested in more discourse on this matter.

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[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Not the first time a backdoor was found on Chinese made hardware and it won‘t be the last time. Decoupling can‘t happen quickly enough.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Which government's backdoors would you prefer?

"We know you have a choice in oppressive governments, so we appreciate you choosing ours."

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[–] randompasta@lemmy.today 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

True, but the ESP32 is used by a lot of devices. This backdoor is pretty huge in scope of devices impacted.

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