Asking after the privacy debacle and manifest. I'm not keeping up closely, but iirc Firefox is the browser recommended because of Ublock. After the privacy data issue I've noticed broken trust from Firefox users, recommendations in favor of switching browsers, and predictions saying Firefox is going downhill fast and that their forks won't be maintained for much longer.

So I'm here asking the seasoned sailors' thoughts, aye. Is this just a storm passing by or are you really considering jumping ship?

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[–] efscher@lemmit.nyc.what.if.ua 10 points 2 days ago

I switched to Floorp about a month ago.

https://floorp.app/en

[–] zonnewin@feddit.nl 22 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I would say no. With the recent debacle the writing is on the wall. Mozilla is not taking our privacy seriously. So, I have switched away from vanilla Firefox.

I would recommend using a fork instead: LibreWolf, or Floorp, or Zen; and Ironfox on Android. Mullvad Browser is another option.

[–] other_cat@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How come I never see people recommending Waterfox? Is it just not popular or is there some major flaw?

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[–] Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Floorp is kinda sketchy these days, it went closed source, then maybe reopen sourced. I would say Zen is the better pick. and on Android Fennec is a great Privacy fork of Firefox.

[–] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not maybe. It is open source. It never went close sourced, Dev made it source available till they figured out the future of the project.

Also I won't recommend zen cause it's in beta. It's way too unstable and the dev is no better at handling situations like above. But if you dont mind stability, zen is definitely really good feature wise

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[–] kevincox@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 days ago

I still recommend it. I'm not fully happy with the situation but for now I consider it my best option.

I consider Chromium-based browsers out of the question as they give too much power to Google. This is already showing to be a problem with new APIs and "features" that Google is pushing into the web platform and the bigger the market share gets the more control they have.
Web browsers are the biggest attack surface that most people have. Displaying untrusted webpages and running untrusted code is incredibly difficult and vulnerabilities are regularly discovered. I don't yet know a Firefox fork that I trust enough to reliably respond to security vulnerabilities quickly and correctly.

So for now I am staying with raw Firefox. Not to mention that as a disto-built Firefox I have some insulation from Mozilla's ToS. But I am very much considering some of the forks, especially the ones that are very light with patches and are mostly configuration tweaks.

[–] DARbarian@fedia.io 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nope. LibreWolf & Waterfox are top-tier, Zen and Mullvad Browsers aren't bad at all

[–] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I will say as nice as Zen seems (I agree that it's not bad), I don't really like the whole "vertical tabs" shtick. I mean, I can see why some people would like that, but personally I never got into it. It just looks weird to me and I like seeing more of my tab names (weirdly enough that's exactly what a lot of pro-vertical users claim is good about them lol).

Also, from a privacy standpoint, not a huge fan personally of the fact that unlike LibreWolf, Zen Browser doesn't have ResistFingerprinting enabled by default (not sure if it's even in there tbh).

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[–] warrenson@lemmy.nz 9 points 2 days ago

Just switched to Floorp. Loving it.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

All those people leaving Mozilla, I can only assume only read headlines and not the actual articles because they're just blowing a nothing burger out of proportion.

[–] venotic@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 2 days ago

All that we've ever asked from Mozilla is three things:

Focus on the performance of your browser so that it is not a hog.
Upkeep privacy
Keep it secure

Out of all of those things, Mozilla fails at all except maybe the last thing. We didn't ask for AI implementation. We didn't ask for Firefox accounts. We didn't ask for whatever feature flavor of the month that Mozilla got a hair up their ass about that they just had to throw into the browser. We asked for simple things and Mozilla overshot them. How are any of these features meant to uphold the values once held by Mozilla?

If you want to talk about a nothing-burger, think of all of the reasons that Mozilla had danced around to excuse itself by throwing these things in. And the cherry on top was the Terms of Service. Truly, they are tone-deaf.

[–] Pippipartner@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

To be fair nobody asked Mozilla to serve a stupid and detached statement without contextualizing what they meant or try to achieve.

[Edit] it feels like they're asking for the outrage. You can't just drop assurances of not selling data without explaining if your crowd is privacy aware. You can't take broad licenses from your users if you don't explain for what they are for. Having plaintext comment next to the lawyer speak would have fixed all that and none of this had to be this shitty. [/Edit]

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[–] weirdo_from_space@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 day ago

There is no benefit to using Firefox unless you really like uBlock Origin and will not consider another kind of adblocker.

Mozilla is just controlled opposition lead by the same greedy executives as Google anyway, using it won't make a difference. It's at best 3% market share won't stop Google from pushing their crap to everyone else either.

Problems of the modern web in general cannot be solved by just another browser engine. What it really needs is simplification. A way to make it do what it does now but faster and in a way that is easier to implement, but I don't see anyone doing that in the near future.

[–] Turturtley@aussie.zone 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I’ll put my vote in for LibreWolf. Happy to help anyone with a ‘i can’t get librewolf to…’ or ‘this site is broken on librewolf’, etc to help you tweak it.

But i keep both installed. Libre for my daily driver. FF if there’s a site that i absolutely need to be identifiable for.

[–] xye@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I will gladly take you up on this, not sure if it’s possible: trying to get the Toonami Aftermath site to work on librewolf

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[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Orion on MacOS is really good. Great protection and defaults, plus extensions from Firefox and Chrome work.

[–] Album@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I've been using LW & Mull/IF before the outrage-TOU update and while they're great for me I wouldn't recommend them to everyone. I still keep FF as a backup and many ppl should continue to use FF for the time being as it was JUST A TOU update....for now.

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[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's been pretty painless to switch to https://www.waterfox.net/ on desktop. There's also a Waterfox app for Android.

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