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I'm an immigrant working in the USA, I came here because of the promise of a better tomorrow, a meritocracy, a seat at the table at big tech, and for a while it felt real but then my company was acquired by a larger entity and it all went to shit, now I'm in a race to show I'm the most competent and dedicated person with the most technological knowledge to keep my job and not get layed off.

If I ask my manager or my director a question or challenge their thought process I get called into a 1 on 1 meeting where I'm told I'm a great asset to the team but me asking questions of them in a team setting sets a bad example, and my questions aren't in bad faith infact in the meeting I was lauded for asking the right questions, but being pulled aside and being asked to kiss the ring felt disgusting.

At one point in my career I cared about what I did and who I worked for I felt pride over my product and my team, and all I feel now is shame to be associated with my company, I feel disgusted with myself that I work not for my customers but for shareholder value.

So I guess my question if any is are there still companies that exist in the USA or outside that still give a fuck about what they're doing and not just inflate that companies value so it can be sold or keep the stock price going up.

I would love to live and work somewhere where my value isn't determined by how much money I van make or how much shareholder value I increase, I wouldn't have to worry about a visa and if I can/will be kicked out if I'm no longer employed.

I could go back home but the work culture there is atrocious it was the reason why I had left, I lasted 5 months and I couldn't take it and put in my 2 weeks to go to the US for a Masters degree in Computer Sciences.

I'm sorry that this turned into more of a rant than anything else but I'm at a point where I don't really know what I want to do anymore, any advice or conversation is appreciated.

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[–] shaggyb@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I hope you find your way to a civilized country.

[–] tpyoman@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago
[–] algorithmae@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If I ask my manager or my director a question or challenge their thought process I get called into a 1 on 1 meeting where I'm told I'm a great asset to the team but me asking questions of them in a team setting sets a bad example

This isn't on you. If you manager's skin is so thin that they can't take some critical thinking thrown at them, then they shouldn't be a manager. Though if you're doing it all the time it's probably very annoying. If they're doing some self-destructive braindead company decisions, then just roll your eyes and don't say anything while waiting for their comeuppance to bite them in the ass. You don't have to kiss the ring but you don't have to be a nuisance either.

So I guess my question if any is are there still companies that exist in the USA or outside that still give a fuck about what they're doing and not just inflate that companies value so it can be sold or keep the stock price going up.

Maybe a small business with decent core values. They are very rare though, and are liable to be eaten alive by a change in management. So basically no.

[–] tpyoman@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Yep moving to a significantly smaller company would be most ideal but I don't know how feasible it is with the current market and my h1b.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

IDK if this would be viable with an H1 visa and I've seen many other options I'll be looking into, but here's what I normally tell people in this position: small businesses are built different

They're harder to find, they usually don't pay amazingly, but they're way more human. It's not all run through spread sheets, you work for humans who get to know you and (can sometimes) actually be like a family...(If they say that phrase it's a red flag though)

It's hit or miss, you likely would be working on legacy stuff or have to wear many hats... But it's work where you know what you're doing and who you're doing it for

[–] Yaky@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It really depends on the business.

I worked for two smaller businesses (team of ≤ 10 software developers). One was mismanaged, ran by very unpleasant people, and abusive towards employees, resulting in a huge turnover and a "dead sea effect". The other company got government grants because the owner's relative was a politician, and had ridiculous surveillance software on developers' machines.

Ironically, the most "human" and enjoyable work I did was working on internal legacy software and code rewrites for a huge corporation before and during their move towards agile and modern "conveyorized" approach to software.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 6 days ago

Oh absolutely... There's tons of petty tyrants out there too, which is different, but also bad or even worse. They might also be just staffing something just as soul crushing too, so it could just be worse in every regard

But small business means your boss is probably there to stay. Ideally, you meet the owner in your interview, often they're the same person. But if you find someone loyal to their people, you can actually give them your loyalty and they'll see you as a person

[–] tpyoman@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yep I used to work for a far better environment before the acquisition and would love to ho back to that kind of company, but it's increasingly difficult to do now a days.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 3 points 6 days ago

Yep... My first "career" job was for a mid sized company. In my onboarding they gave me my employee number but said "you'll never need this, here you're a name, not a number". One time I emailed security saying I forgot my badge because it was with my lunch, and one of the founders called me up and gave me his prepackaged lunch because he said he usually doesn't get through them all. When we closed a big deal, they called us all upstairs to have champagne during the workday. Our mission was unambiguously to help people

Then we got acquired... They gave me my new employee ID and told me I'd be using it for everything. They just milked our contracts and refused wages until we all left

And unfortunately, mid sized companies can give an equally good experience with much better pay and job security... But they're being bought out to secure contracts and gutted at an insane rate.

It's late stage capitalism... If you want to keep growing but you've already destroyed your ability to complete, buy them out to take over their contracts

[–] kayazere@feddit.nl 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

One answer to capitalist companies seeking to maximize profit at all costs are worker owned companies. When the workers are in control of the business decisions, they won’t vote for the decisions going against themselves.

Sadly, I don’t know that many worked owned tech companies. One example is https://www.igalia.com/

If more people would be willing to start work owned companies rather than your typical capitalist startup, we could have more options.

[–] kayazere@feddit.nl 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] tpyoman@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Thanks!! I didn't know of this resource will check it out.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] kayazere@feddit.nl 3 points 6 days ago

I believe Valve just has a flat hierarchy, but not worker owned.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] tpyoman@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Yep I'm going to look at non profits and also look at unions as well.

[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

At one point in my career I cared about what I did and who I worked for I felt pride over my product and my team, and all I feel now is shame to be associated with my company, I feel disgusted with myself that I work not for my customers but for shareholder value.

This tracks with my experience here as well.

keep my job and not get layed off.

For me, it seems like falling in line and kissing the ring is more important than showing ability, if you want to avoid being laid off. At a previous job, I got laid off before my very noob coworker who took months to complete PRs because I wouldn't shut my mouth about RTO.

a meritocracy

🌎🧑‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀 Never has been.

[–] Bullshit@piefed.social 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

People still falling for that meritocracy stuff lol

[–] tpyoman@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Yea after working in the USA I was disillusioned fairly quickly when I was stepped over for promotions by people that knew somebody who knows somebody.

It's all about who you know and how you know them.

[–] tpyoman@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Yep that's my understanding as well, fall in line or you're out.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've never worked for a for-profit company since I graduated college. There is variation in non-profit employers, but there are some that are great places to work.

I got a job at a university after graduation (different university than where I got my degree), and I worked there in different departments until I took a job in the university hospital. I've worked here for more than 25 years.

The pay tends to be a bit lower than what you'd get at a for-profit company, but not as bad as some would lead you to believe. I've been able to buy a home, raise a family, and live fairly comfortably.

The benefits are very good. There's a strong focus on education and growth, and work-life balance isn't just a lie they tell people in the interview.

[–] tpyoman@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Yep from the recommendations here I will be looking into non profits and see if I can get hired into one.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

No, there are not. Form a union, get contractually obligated dignity and respect.

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[–] fubarx@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Traditionally, there have been a few classes of companies in the U.S: C Corp, S Corp, LLC (Limited Liability Company) aka partnerships, and Closed. Most companies in the U.S. are organized as one of these, with their responsibility toward shareholders, who want to see their money grow.

If you wanted to work for a company that didn't necessarily have infinite growth as its mission, the only option was to find a Non-Profit, but they may not have the kind of funding to spend on legal visas.

In the last few years, two other types of companies have emerged. They're similar, but legally different: B-corp (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_Corporation_(certification)), and PBC or Public Benefit Corporation (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benefit_corporation).

These can be for-profit, but have to have a stated mission in their charter to provide a benefit of some sort to the public.

The links above point at some examples, but you may want to do your own research. Those companies may have the resources to pick up your visa, and may better align with the values you're looking for.

Ideally, and when able, your best bet would be to start your own business and set it up just the way you want.

[–] tpyoman@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Thanks for the information, I will look more into B corp and PBCs.

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