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I thought I had finally found a healthy drink I liked with no artificial sweetness and they had to go and fuck it up
The drink on the right is caffeinated, maybe that's why they added sweetener? The label on the left doesn't mention caffeine.
On the plus side, stevia isn't artificial.
Might not be artificial, but it doesn't look natural in sweetener form:
The process of extracting stevia -
Dried stevia leaves are subjected to purified water first. Then followed by a precipitation process with ferric chloride and calcium hydroxide to remove non-soluble plant materials & other impurities and follow filtration.
Then the leaf extract goes through an adsorption resin, which is used to trap the steviol glycosides of the leaf extract.
Afterward, wash the resin with ethanol to release steviol glycosides and decolorize the resulting solution with activated carbon to remove the colors in leaves, and then concentrated by evaporation.
Again, go through the process of decolorization, filtration and spray-drying. The spray-dried product is then combined with similarly processed additional extracts, dissolved in ethanol and/or methanol, crystallized and filtered. Finally, after further processes of crystallization, filtered and spray-dried to obtain pure stevioside.
Taken from here: https://foodadditives.net/natural-sweeteners/stevioside/#easy-footnote-bottom-1-1949
That's precisely why I use it in my coffee and have for many years. However there's a big difference from one brand to another I've found. Sweet Leaf stevia drops are the only kind I'll use now.
"Death to plastic"
"Here drink from this plastic-lined can" (https://www.plasticstoday.com/business/liquid-death-may-murder-your-thirst-but-it-won-t-kill-plastic-no-matter-what-the-ads-say)
Not only that, but unless you can guarantee that a significant portion users will recycle those aluminum cans, they are significantly more energy intensive to manufacture compared to single use plastic bottles.
Do most people not recycle cans?
Here in Cleveland, we used to just put all trash, no recycling, on the lawn. Then in 2008 or so, they put out a recycling innitive. Each resident had to pay $10 per family (so duplexs would buy 2 per house), and they'd get a blue bin. You put the recycling in the blue bin, and a seperate truck picks that up.
Sounds great right?
Welll..........in 2020 or so they found out the 1st truck would take your black bin regular trash, and the 2nd truck would take your blue bin recyclables, and then BOTH trucks would drop off in the same pile, in the same landfill with zero recycling done.
Since that was discovered I see a massive 90%+ dropoff in blue bins. Not only have people lost faith in buying blue bins at all, but most people now use their blue bins as 2nd regular non-recycling trash can.
The overwhelming majority of people recycle nothing.
I had to teach my parents how to recycle.
As well, the overwhelming majority of recycling collection companies recycle nothing.
Eh, it entirely depends on the market. If your near mills or ports, a lot of stuff goes to a MRF (materials recover facility).
I have visited one and its pretty labor imtensive and gross. I am guessing most employees are undocumented because I can't imagine others doing the job for the pay. They basically spend all day picking stuff off a constant feed of garbage. It should be all recyclables, but in a lot of streams there is more trash than recyclables.
If a MRF is near a waste to energy plant, they can get like close to 99% landfill avoidance rates. If not, your essentially making people slave over seperating your recyclables that you could have done (at least before the entire country went single stream)
i have no issue with stevia other than it tastes fucking awful. just a terrible aftertaste that makes me never want to consume it ever, in any configuration.
Stevia is not artificial you silly duck. And it's more sustainable to grow than the fucking sugar you hypocritically enjoy every day. Get over it.
Stevia is not artificial you silly duck.
Not to mention that while it's OP's money, at least in the US, natural and artificial sweeteners (or flavors) can be chemically-identical. I remember a bit...might have been from NPR Planet Money...on a substance that literally could be obtained either way, but some people thought that artificial flavors were bad, so there was a market for companies to go out and (more-expensively) extract the thing so that they could make the food they made say "natural flavor" rather than "artificial flavor". The designation is just a function of whether you synthesize or extract the thing, the manufacturing process. It doesn't say anything about the actual content.
EDIT: Not the article I was thinking of, but same idea:
https://health.wusf.usf.edu/npr-health/2017-11-03/is-natural-flavor-healthier-than-artificial-flavor
All three experts say that ultimately, natural and artificial flavors are not that different. While chemists make natural flavors by extracting chemicals from natural ingredients, artificial flavors are made by creating the same chemicals synthetically.
Platkin says the reason companies bother to use natural flavors rather than artificial flavors is simple: marketing.
"Many of these products have health halos, and that's what concerns me typically," says Platkin. Consumers may believe products with natural flavors are healthier, though they're nutritionally no different from those with artificial flavors.
This label part about plastics is what's called green-washing here, and is illegal unless what they are doing is a very signifikant part of the price of the product.
The labeling of what's NOT in the drink is also under similar regulation, but I don't recall what it's called. But the fact that a "sugar" drink doesn't contain fat is irrelevant and misleading.
Whatever country this is from has bullshit regulation.
The thing that is ABSOLUTELY NOT a problem is the Stevia which is clearly labeled!
So the "mildly infuriating" part is completely misguided compared to the real problems of that product.
Edit:
Just noticed, Carbs 3%, sugar 6% incl. added sugar 12%.
That's impossible! You can't have less carbs than sugar, since sugar is a carb. So these labels are probably illegal in EU on no less than 3 counts!!
It's a US label and the percents are % of recommended daily intake. So that's 3% of your daily recommended carbohydrate intake, 6% of your daily recommended intake of sugar, and 12% of your daily recommended intake of "added" sugar. The recommendation is something like, no more than half of your carbs should come from sugar, and no more than half of those should be added during manufacturing (i.e. most of your sugar intake should be from fresh fruit, etc.). So the numbers do line up.
Whatever country this is from has bullshit regulation.
I'll give you one guess....
It's not percent of total it's percent of daily recommendation. I'm not defending that choice but it just isn't the same.
Are they? These seem to be completely different products to me. One has caffeine and artificial sugar whereas the other has neither. I'd have a hard time believing these are the same products and not just similar ones with confusing names
Those are both their Dead Billionare product and they do both have caffeine. In the old can design it was just listed somewhere else not shown
Man fuck that. I wanted to try these specifically because they said they only used agave syrup as a sweetener. Stevia, suclarose and aspartame always have this weird aftertaste and mouth feel.
it has infected everything and it's fucking awful.
I'd be interested in finding out if there's a genetic component to this, like people who taste soap in coriander, because I can't believe any reasonable person would put this nonsense in anything they want to make a profit on.
My fiance loves liquid death because it didn’t have anything for sweetness aside from the agave. Now all he’s gonna taste is the stevia. :(