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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 180 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

'Diversity hire' is the old derogatory term that implies someone is unqualified and only hired because of their skin color or genitals, so they already openly hate diversity.

They don't know what equity means. They probably think it means equality, and they hate that too because in their minds equality requires giving up their relative standing in society.

They hate inclusion because they hate diversity.

The meme is though provoking for someone who already understands the concepts and is useful for bringing awareness to 3rd parties who are otherwise apathetic. It won't make the person who is put on the spot reconsider their opinion, but that's because they are morons who fell for the anti-DEI propaganda.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 71 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

"WELL I DON'T LIKE IT WHEN THEY WON'T HIRE WHITE PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE QUALIFIED"

They genuinely believe that white men are at a significant disadvantage in the workforce because DEI hires. No amount of memes or conversation will convince them how ridiculous that is.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 57 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

So funny story, my department had an employee survey and one of the questions that triggered a need for "team discussion" was:

"Do all people, regardless of race and gender, have good opportunities in our workplace?"

Evidently one person in the department said "no, they do not". So I'm sitting there wondering "oh crap, we are a bunch of white men except one woman and one black guy, which of those two have felt screwed over due to race or gender". But no, an older white guy proudly spoke up saying there's no room for white men at the workplace, that white men are disadvantaged. In a place that's like 90% white men...

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 14 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It's the worst of both. They literally enjoy privilege and advantage over others every single day, yet they also get to feel indignant and "discriminated" against.

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[–] withabeard@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Because they already believe that you are better because you are white. So two people with equal qualifications, the white is more qualified in their eyes.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

nevermind that under qualified candidates are chosen all the time based on a variety of factors. Like nailing an interview, having an agreeable personality, available hours, or, just, you know, having the same skin color or genitals as the hiring manager. But DEI programs are a problem. Sure.

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[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 11 points 2 weeks ago

Yes - if a non-white person and/or woman has a job, it's only because they were chosen over a more qualified white man, because obviously they're superior in every way. But they're not racist or sexist - they just believe in a "meritocracy!"

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[–] _lilith@lemmy.world 83 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Same thing as when old people said they were against Antifa or antifa was causing violence. Anti Fascist. You don't support the Anti Fascists. Are you ok with the Fascists then? Shuts the boomers up because they remember daddy fought the Fascists even if their lead addled brains can't remember what that is

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago

It's not civil rights, it's woke

It's not anti intellectualism, it's anti woke.

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[–] Punchshark@lemmy.ca 49 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Can also use "Elon" for the E.

[–] Shapillon@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump can't remember his name anyway

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

When Enlong goes to Mars, can you believe it? They said on Twitter, well, now it’s X but you still tweet. They banned me before Lonnie bought it. They said, “When Eenlin goes to mars, which is a planet by the way. Like Earth but orange. Orange, don’t get me started. They say I’m orange. Do I look orange? Maybe the radical left will call me Marsolini. You people are beautiful. But mars is a planet and Erod is gonna take us there folks. I’ll be the president of mars if you can believe that. Kennedy wanted to go to the moon. Ellen wants to go to mars. Very smart people, with the rockets. They can land them now. Rockets is very powerful stuff. My uncle, very smart, good genes, he said, “Donald, rockets is very powerful stuff.” I always thought that, but who knew? Now everybody is talking about it.

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[–] fourexample@lemm.ee 44 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I think it's important to distinguish between diversity, equity, and inclusion as CONCEPTS and DEI as an organization and initiative.

It is possible to be pro- diversity, equity, and inclusion and be opposed to mismanaged efforts in DEI as a PROGRAM.

This post assumes that DEI as a government initiative is working perfectly and has no downsides, presenting it in a way that closes it off to criticism.

Does every system have to be perfect? Of course not. It's better to have a system pushing for good that's imperfect than none at all, but framing it like this is gaslighting and hurts discussion on both sides.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

It's even worse in the corporate world. That acronym is usually attached to consultants who would extort huge fees and not really do much of anything towards actual inclusion, equity, or diversity. It would let the company check a box for PR, though.

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[–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 41 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Reminds me of the "Lets Go Brandon" crap.

Like, if you really dislike Biden, just say "Fuck Joe Biden.". I have zero issue saying "Fuck Trump," because, fuck trump.

Locally in Illinois there were also these signs everywhere that said "Pritzker Sucks" in huge letters, then at the bottom in tiny print "the life out of small business."

Like seriously, I am less disgusted by your stance, than I am about your pussy ass lack of conviction.

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[–] labrat55@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

If you're opposed to DOGE, does that mean you're opposed to efficiency in government?

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago

Do you support democracy?

If so then that must mean you support the DPRK.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 26 points 2 weeks ago

Government should not be efficient, at least not in what the business class calls "efficiency".

Government is the entity that performs those tasks that need to be done, but nobody wants to do. If those essential tasks can be done "efficiently", everyone is going to want to get paid for doing them.

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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago (20 children)

This post attempts to frame opposition to DEI as opposition to the literal meanings of the words rather than the policies built around them. That’s a false dilemma. One can oppose DEI initiatives that sacrifice meritocracy and individual achievement without rejecting the values of diversity, equity, and inclusion in their purest forms. A system that prioritizes individual ability, effort, and competence over group identity is the foundation of real progress and innovation.

We need to be fighting nepotism, not implementing DEI policies that replace one form of favoritism with another. Nepotism undermines meritocracy by prioritizing personal connections over competence, but DEI hiring, when based on demographic factors rather than qualifications, does the same by shifting the bias to identity. The goal should be a system that rewards individual ability, effort, and achievement—ensuring opportunities are earned, not granted based on who you know or what group you belong to. True fairness comes from eliminating favoritism altogether, not redistributing it.

It seems we are forgetting the folly of the greater good.

That being said, everything I’ve read about companies that implement DEI—aside from some questionable journalism in the gaming industry—suggests that they are actually about 27% to 30% more profitable than those that don’t.

I just don’t like this post in general; it seems like one large logical fallacy.

[–] Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 45 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (13 children)

"We need to be fighting nepotism, not implementing DEI policies that replace one form of favoritism with another"

Sure, except no DEI policy worth its salt ever does that. Day 1 on the job in actual DEI, the difference between tokenism and inclusion is taught, and a policy or practice where unqualified people are put in positions solely because of their identity are not DEI policies.

It's about giving equal access and opportunity to equally qualified diverse candidates that, because of systemic biases and obstacles, they wouldn't have had access to.

Saying "we need a guy on a wheelchair in the legal team, to look good, so hire this guy without a law degree" is dumb tokenism.

Saying "hey now that we don't do 'jog-and-talk' interviews on the 14th floor of a building without an elevator, we were able to interview and hire Joe, a great lawyer in a wheelchair" is implementing a basic DEI change.

Decently done DEI is about making it easier to select the most qualified talent from a qualified, talented and diverse slate of candidates.

NOTE: I don't think you seemed to disagree with the above, it was just funny to me that you started highlighting the false dilemma, then articulated another one :)

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[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (9 children)

Has someone actually been on an interview panel, where you decide to hire someone because they're black?

(I definitely haven't. Although, I haven't been in a position that was in charge of mass hiring.)

[–] plm00@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I have been a part of interviews (at a computer repair shop, mostly men) where my boss said we had to hire the only woman interviewee because it looked bad to not to, and we needed diversity, even though she wasn't very qualified. So we hired her instead of the person who had excelled in the interview.

At my next job we had some diversity hires. It was pre-DEI, but we had a diversity intern program. We hired a guy because he was black, he was qualified and was amazing. Later we hired a person who was also black and wasn't very qualified, they struggled for months and eventually quit - we had hired them based on skin color too.

Not saying I'm for or against, but I've seen situations where diversity became more important than qualifications. I've also seen where both were equally important, and that was preferred.

[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Tbh, being labeled as hired in a "diversity program" sounds humiliating. You'll have to work twice as hard to prove you're actually capable of doing the job.

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[–] redwattlebird@lemmings.world 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

As someone outside of the US, all I can see is people fighting over who has a right to a job and who doesn't, while the rich hoard wealth. DEI wouldn't be an issue if there was a safety net, maybe with UBI based on the minimum liveable wage, public housing, public education, public healthcare and government grants to start small business ventures.

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[–] Obline@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Most people who are against DEI are against the "E".

They believe that equality is the end goal, not equity.

Equality = equal opportunity

Equity = equal outcome

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[–] qfe0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I broke out my thesaurus, so anti diversity, equity and inclusion would be conformity, discrimination and segregation. Does that sound about right?

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is also why "woke" becoming a common word was bad for both sides. Not only is it nonspecific, but it starts to mean different things to different people and diverges over time. It's easier to demonize something with a nonspecific meaning for exactly that reason.

There's a meme that says "everything I don't like is woke", and while it's funny, that's literally the process that happens when such terms become catchalls -- what they catch depends on what any individual speaker wants out of using it.

With DEI, the process has been the same. I wouldn't be surprised if there are many people who believe it's bad (because they were told that and lack critical thinking skills) and may not even know what the acronym stands for.

[–] ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Reminds me of that time (as if it was only once) a depressing amount of people, mostly conservatives, didn't know that the ACA and "Obamacare" mean the same thing.

Conservative politics depend heavily on placing labels on everything because it's a built-in way of telling the rubes what they should think and feel.

[–] Ensrick@real.lemmy.fan 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

A friend of mine used to do food runs for his office, where about 40% of the employees were black. The team voted on what they wanted, and they almost always chose Wing Stop because it was popular. Despite this, he was called into a meeting and accused of racial profiling for bringing "fried chicken" to a mostly black workplace. This experience reflects the way DEI programs often operate. They focus almost excessively on race, and identity, and thrive on controversy.

Originally, these initiatives created programs where people who came to companies did so to fix the issues and leave. Apparently that didn't work./ Instead, they’ve become permanent fixtures in workplaces, incentivized to perpetuate problems rather than solve them. With their continued presence, they encourage reporting and policing of behavior, creating a culture of fear and compliance rather than genuine inclusion.

DEI initiatives have failed. They've been in place for several years, yet we always hear constant rhetoric that racism and discrimination is becoming more of a problem? Instead, these programs have probably radicalized more people than any fringe political group. Many now define their views in opposition to their perceived opponents rather than on principles.

Ironically, DEI encourages prejudice. I’ve personally been told to create a bias in favor of minorities to combat existing bias, which only results in a new form of discrimination; it doesn't eliminate the existing biases. The approach based on "privilege" encouraged me to assume all black people are disadvantaged and all white people are privileged and implicitly biased. Guilt and shame are used as tools to enforce conformity, pressuring people to adopt a specific moral stance while condemning those who don’t. People are praised for being sanctimonious. It's become popular to call out others while simultaneously making self-righteous shows of one's own behavior.

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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I would argue DEI nolonger means diversity equity and inclusion.

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[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I mean I certainly don’t oppose getting rid of DEI but let’s not be haste in assuming what something is called is actually what it is.

Is North Korea a Democracy? They are called the DPRK no? Democratic people’s republic?

Edit: Meant to say I do oppose getting rid of DEI. English is hard

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[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 weeks ago

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
- Not Voltaire

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