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This is the place for discussing the potential collapse of modern civilization and the environment.


Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.


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[–] zelaya@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Is that what they call science now? Speculating about the total number of deaths in the next 84 years? Here are some facts:

"Some 363,500 people die annually from cold, while 43,700 die from excessive heat." Even if the dooming calculations came true, the deaths from cold will still be considerably higher, and the overall death count lower.

The rest is making things up.

[–] coaxil@lemm.ee 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] zelaya@lemmy.today -2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

It only seems so because they are making things up with models that don't resemble reality. All you have to do is compare the deaths of similar but warmer countries, and you will find less deaths from cold AND heat. Climate models = Propaganda

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Everybody, listen to this random guy on the internet and ignore Nature, on of the world's most eminent science journals. This guy right here, he's the shit.

[–] zelaya@lemmy.today 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

OK. Let ignore common sense and believe sites with no links to the actual studies. The who is simply lying. The data I provided is from a lancet study called "Temperature-related mortality burden and projected change in 1368 European regions: a modelling study". I only took the actual number and left out the "model" propaganda.

Also, the owners of nature.com are partners to the WEF, they have pre-defined goals. It is not that they are only interested in science.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It's somehow common sense that the World Health Organization, a multinational organization made up by thousands of individuals is lying because of some shady agenda.

It's somehow common sense that Nature, one of the highest cited journals in the world is also part of some Conspiracy, led by the World Economic Forum.

It's somehow common sense that computational modelling and simulation science as a whole is just a big psyop and propaganda.

It's somehow common sense that this one dude on the internet who is spouting 3 different conspiracy theories in one little post is ...not some wingnut.

Ok buddy.

[–] zelaya@lemmy.today 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I just showed that they are lying. You just choose to believe in lies. The actual data from the who contradict the lancet study. And the nature site is so scientific they don't even provide links to the studies so at least a few people can actually read what is true and what is false.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You showed nothing. You cherry picked data from one study. The role of big international scientific organisations, like the WHO is to combine the amassed knowledge from all the studies, and to synthesize them in coherent and actionable ways. Science is not the one data point or the one study, it's the overall consensus in the scientific community.

[–] zelaya@lemmy.today 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

If the consensus was that people are just stupid animals you will also swallow it too. Reality shoes that warmer countries are just fine. People would rather believe what an authority says because it is politically correct, than what a research actually shows. Just like the pandemic, scaring people with made up models to pass predefined policies.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 hours ago

If my grandmother had wheels she'd be a trolleybus.

Keep your rants to yourself.