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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The most popular seem to be lighthearted, clever little truths, hidden in daily life.

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Scifi was created by neurodivergents and co-opted by normies. (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
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[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

I don't really think so, unless you have a very broad definition of neurodivergence. In which case, yeah sure most all art is made by people who are not balanced happy individuals, now too. If you don't have that black hole of need inside you, you don't need to fill it.

HG Wells

Jules Verne

Mary Shelley

L Frank Baum

Heinlein

They seem like regular minded people just brilliant. I don't think of anyone as a "normie" though, my definition of normal is either it has to be broad enough to encompass a majority of the population, or it's meaningless because nobody is identical to anyone else, all broken in our own way and strong in our own way.

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[–] __Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I don't understand. Which authors are you referring to that created the genre and are neurodivergant?

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Great question. I'm not OP. But a bunch come to mind.

Disclaimer: Even in recent classic eras of science fiction, it wouldn't have been safe for authors (who need publisher trust to buy food) to get diagnosed as neurodivergent, so I feel like we're left with wether neurodivergent individuals embrace their work, rather than if the author ever acknowledged any personal neurodivergence.

Disclaimer: I'm not neurodivergent. I don't feel safe seeking a diagnosis. And things aren't binary, so what the hell. I do acknowledge it's interesting that I relate strongly with a bunch of these characters, and can bring them to memory quickly as some of my favorites...

With that disclaimed:

  • "The November People" by Ray Bradbury comes to mind. It explores how classic Hollywood "monsters" would handle themselves as roommates, mostly through exploring their mental diversity rooted in their physical/cultural differences.
  • Asimov's robot detective stories (start with The Caves of Steel) have protagonists whose planets effectively make them neordivergent anytime they visit another planet than their birth world.
  • "Stranger in a Strange Land", by Heinlein, is about a neurodivergent (for Earth) young man who grew up as the sole human citizen of Mars.
  • Philip K Dick's detective protagonist from "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" (aka Blade Runner) is clearly neurodivergent, as is his wife.

Edit: As others have mentioned, Mary Shelly's Frankenstein, of course!

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social -1 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Man, you very clearly don't know what neurodivergent means.

[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago

This comment is useless. Why don't you start a discussion by giving some reason why you think none of the examples given are neurodivergent?

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Oh fuck off - and read a book!

Every character in every book I listed is neurodivergent by the definition on Wikipedia.

There's no winning with some people. What a waste of a comment.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Lol, said the guy that thinks neurodivergent is when from a different culture or ignorant.

[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee 9 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Modern sci-fi was created by an extremely depressed widow that only thought about the social and scientific repercussions of bringing her husband back from the dead and put it in the form of literature. And appreciation for Sci Fi has been around for a very long time. Nosferatur, The Haunting, House on Haunted Hill, The Blob, The Day The Earth Stood Still, War Of The World's, etc...

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[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 15 points 22 hours ago (9 children)

That's a perspective on Mary Shelley that I hadn't considered. But she was reasonably well-adjusted and popular. And yes I do consider Frankenstein to be the first English science fiction.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 13 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

But she was reasonably well-adjusted

Bruh...

She kept her dead husbands heart and would carry it around with her

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 21 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

That’s not neurodivergent that’s just goth bro.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 6 points 22 hours ago

Victorian goth no less.

[–] Iapar@feddit.org 10 points 22 hours ago

Reasonably well-adjusted not perfectly well-adjusted.

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 9 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Weird but also romantic. At least it was her deceased husband's heart, and not her living husband's?

[–] Contramuffin@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

She would have had to be Frankenstein if she somehow had her living husband's heart. Taking out the heart does tend to have the property of leading to death

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 2 points 18 hours ago

Reasonable

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[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 10 points 21 hours ago (6 children)

i dunno, ok, but that's like saying the theory of relativity, or the mona lisa, was created by a neurodivergent and co-opted by normies. some of us are artists, and some of us work the fields. without either we all starve.

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 9 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

It is funny. There are so many things in modern day that would be a dream come true to young me but it all goes dystopia and all the fantasy and scifi is one of those things. I thought I would love so much but so much is not done well. I sorta feel for gay people because being into scifi was a subculture but it going mainstream has greatly diminished the subculture as it sorta becomes unnecessary but I miss that small group feeling.

[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

That's not entirely true. There's still good sci-fi being made. Look at the expanse, dark, altered carbon.

I dont know much about newer books, but I m sure there's good scifi writers out there still. What comes to mind is ready player one, red rising, pines, although these are all 10 years old by now. It illustrates that it's not just the era of Heinlein and Asimov that counts.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 19 hours ago

Yeah its not so much good sci-fi is not being made as there is such innundation that its more of a diamond in the rough kind of thing and Im talking more media than literature.

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[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Sometimes an asshole is just an asshole.

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Ah, you've read Heinlein and Lovecraft.

[–] Spiderwort@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 15 hours ago

The worm criticizes the hawk for crawling improperly.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Much like all other creative endeavors

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 2 points 17 hours ago

being so acoustic about languages you make a book that is a global hit

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