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Greetings!

A friend of mine wants to be more secure and private in light of recent events in the USA.

They originally told me they were going to use telegram, in which I explained how Telegram is considered compromised, and Signal is far more secure to use.

But they want more detailed explanations then what I provided verbally. Please help me explain things better to them! โœจ

I am going to forward this thread to them, so they can see all your responses! And if you can, please cite!

Thank you! โœจ

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[โ€“] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It really depends on who your friend is, and who they are trying to defenf against.

If the US ( or Russian / Chinese) government really wants to access an internet-connected device, they can do it; what app you are using doesn't even matter. For example, most people use the default Google keyboard, which could be compromised.

If the concern is about local goons / employers / coworkers, then both Telegram and Signal are more than enough to stop them prying.

As for whether to use Signal or Telegram, Signal has end to end encryption enabled by default, while in Telegram you have to switch it on for each chat. On the other hand, Telegram has the best UI among messaging apps hands down.

[โ€“] Wahots@pawb.social 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Pegasus really negates a lot of security too.

[โ€“] Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 4 hours ago

Compromising one of the devices is always game over. The only way to be Pegasus-proof is to not communicate digitally.

[โ€“] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Even if you switch to an offline keyboard, the new "ai" assistants in Windows, iOS, and Android? Can read your screen, microphone, and etc. I'm not really sure what you should use unless you use coded language. Even then, there's just too much information about you out there anyway. Best bet would to be have conversations in private away from any electronic devices or use something like tails.

[โ€“] Stomata@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Telegram is not end to end encrypted. Repeating it's not. Only private mode or something like that is.

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[โ€“] Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Telegrsm is not secure anymore. USA have all the keys of the encriptions of telegrsm.

[โ€“] doomsdayrs@lemmy.ml 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)
[โ€“] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago

I wouldn't say USA has all the encryption keys, but the fact that it is actually possible to have a backdoor is reason enough for me to not use it. Signal complies with all search warrants, giving all the data they have to law enforcement. They have never given any data to law enforcement, because they do not have access to it. Telegrams approach is to simply to spread the data to several servers in different countries, so if law enforcement wanted access they'd have to submit requests to each country (some of which wouldn't comply).

[โ€“] qpsLCV5@lemmy.ml 78 points 1 day ago (7 children)

In my view, by far the biggest reason to switch is that Telegram doesn't end-to-end encrypt chats by default.

Yes you can start encrypted chats specifically, but i'll bet 99% of chats on telegram aren't encrypted - meaning whoever has access to the telegram servers can read all the messages.

Signal claims to end-to-end encrypt all chats by default, and if you want to be 100% sure you can in theory read the source code and compile the app yourself. this means signal cannot read any of your messages, even if police asks them to or servers get seized. That's a massive advantage in privacy.

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[โ€“] juli@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Telegram for random public chatter/file storage(with password lock), talking to strangers without giving them your number. Signal for personal/private conversations.

Spread your data (encrypted or not) around, so a single entity doesn't own your digital life. Your device can handle 2 apps and don't give them permissions willy nilly. Geez, every one of these posts just wants to start a flame war.

[โ€“] logging_strict@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

In Telegram, you never have to expose your phone number. If you like walking into traps then of course you can.

But can make minimal efforts to not be a degenerate avoiding this obvious easily avoidable trap.

How to avoid exposing your phone number

Make a group called i'm not a complete utter idiot. Whenever you have a friend wanting to connect, make a group link, send it to them, have them join. After joining have them send a message in the group. Just, "Hi". Nothing more. Less is more.

Look for that message and click on the person's name. You are now connected. Send them a personal message, "Hi!".

You can also add them as a contact without sharing your phone number.

Your friend will probably be a degenerate and expose their phone number. Teach them how to go into settings to always hide it.

Try not to call them a degenerate, degenerates hate that.

Also try not to think of them as a degenerate, they will already know that and be proud of it and not understand why you don't share their enthusiasm.

So control what thoughts you project into the ether. If you have to change the topic in your mind to something involving flowers singing birds and clouds.

That's a neat trick, thanks for sharing

[โ€“] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

If you have a safe, but cannot open it, do you own the contents inside? Signal has no way of accessing your data, I would argue they don't own it.

[โ€“] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Signal supports username based chatting.

[โ€“] dessalines@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Behind those usernames, are phone numbers (meaning real identities) stored in signal's database.

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[โ€“] zzx@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Telegram rolls their own crypto. That should be the biggest red flag by far. I say this as a telegram user

[โ€“] logging_strict@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

Signal pretends not to.

I prefer Telegram's honesty.

We are Telegram and we are here to help. And to make it more fun we will send all your communications to Russia for a change.

Oh man! Where do i sign up /nosarc

[โ€“] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The encryption method they use was made up by them, and the chats aren't even end to end encrypted by default. Which I would argue is a larger red flag.

[โ€“] logging_strict@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

This 1 + 1 = 2 logic is boring. It's trying to escape out of a wet paper bag over and over again. Whatever your 1 + 1 = 2 logic is their is another guy who can drive a bus staight thru it. Every single time.

In a year from now you will find out you are completely mistaken and just repeating nonsense. Every freak'n time.

Just for once, do the wrong thing. Make the wrong choice on purpose.

Instead of seeing never ending red flags. Today see purple flags. And tomorrow orange. Cuz why do flags always have to be red?

You can be right or you can have fun.

Do the wrong thing sometimes. Live a little.

[โ€“] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Hopefully you aren't driving any buses while you're this high.

It's not never ending red flags. In fact, I see lots of green flags from signal. Telegram, though, that's a different story.

[โ€“] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 26 points 1 day ago (9 children)

While there may be better options out there, from a purely security standpoint.

The real world, with non-tech people needs solutions that are easy, fast and as close to foolproof as possible.

I choose Signal, because my mum, my sisters and brothers (none of which are tech people) can all go to their app stores and install Signal, it works and it is easy. Signal is private BY DEFAULT, I don't have to remind them to turn on security for each chat, there is voice and video chat for individuals and groups, I can use it to send files. It is really good. Secure communication is their primary goal.

I have been using Signal since it was called TextSecure and I only had one contact using it.

Yes it sucked when they dropped SMS support; but these days about 98% of my messaging goes through Signal. Any SMS is usually from my doctor/dentist/bank.

I never really trusted Telegram, too many compromises. Secure communication is not their primary goal.

[โ€“] logging_strict@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 hours ago

The real world, with non-tech people needs solutions that are easy, fast and as close to foolproof as possible.

Nope. Grandma gets a smartphone

Meaning they are hopeless and it's impossible for them to emulate a techie.

It's a fools errand.

Just stop trying to pretend Grandma is something more than completely unimportant and forgettable and hopeless and more likely than not merely a pest.

I'm so tired of entertaining Grandmas.

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