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[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 day ago

As an American, I strongly recommend that all Greenlanders oppose joining our shit show. I wish I could leave.

[–] MissGutsy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If you leave out the 9% of undecided voters, the poll is 93.4% against joining the US.

But the poll is also just a representative sample of 497 people, just about 0.88% of the greenland population. So an actual vote might be very different. The poll claims to have an uncertainty between "1.9 and 4.4 percentage points", so the result could be as high as 98% against joining the US

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 64 points 2 days ago

"Please, America. Take away our healthcare. Not just for us, but for our descendants!"

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 190 points 2 days ago (17 children)

Concerning that it wasn't 100.

[–] WadeTheWizard@fedia.io 164 points 2 days ago (6 children)

It seems to be a pretty consistent rule around the world that about 1/3 of people are complete morons. Only 15% being for it is probably a good sign.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 91 points 2 days ago (10 children)

In commercial/political polling, they call it the lizard man constant. 5% will always agree, even if the question is something like "are you a lizard man".

Only 15% is a resounding rejection, honestly. The media was making it sound like there was actual mainstream debate within Greenland.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 75 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Media is sane washing Trump. The Media is owned by the oligarchs who run this country. What NBC, CBS, ABC, and FOX say is reality is not necessarily speaking real. I'm afraid that in troubled times it falls on each of us to become a historian, journalist, propagandist, and warrior all wrapped into one

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sane washing is a good way to put it, actually. They're trying to write about Trump's rambling like it's a new and valid perspective on the world. It's not, and his supporters even know that for the most part.

I don't even use American outlets. Educated, well-off people across the West are still in some kind of weird denial, a near-decade into the madness.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Even NPR and PBS have gone a little sus. And look. We do need to talk about what it is about Trump that keeps clicking, what is going on with Americans that he resonates so strongly (despite so clearly being horrible and a sharp worsening of everything everywhere). But we can have that conversation without taking something he says and saying "Huh. That's interesting. Is there any validity to that?"

No. You don't have to report on him like a normal politician. You don't have to default to treating what he says like it's probably valid. You can rightly and justly act like he's a weird shit cunt who just says whatever to see what lands with people, and then just keeps repeating those verbal tics people liked.

And this rings true for so much of American politics. We treat every political corruption scandal past watergate like it's a complex web of people and we don't know who knows what. The Iran-Contra scandal, the 2003 invasion of Iraq, russian collusion, the coup, voter surpression and the rise of right wing politics globally and at home, are actually all VERY simple when you get right down to it. But the media acts like it's complicated and hard to understand so the populace thinks it's complicated and hard to understand.

The simple truth is this: we live in a global system of torture. Every day you go to work and do your job and struggle to afford groceries, you are getting tortured. You are getting tortured slowly. But you are surely getting tortured. Your work is boring and demeaning, and it doesn't contribute in any real way to causes you care about. Your boss makes more money than you do despite you doing the work. Their boss makes a fortune despite not even knowing what it is you do. You go to the grocery store on the way home. The produce was grown with prison labor, the coffee was grown with slave labor, and everything else was grown with refugee migrant labor. To heat your house you need electricity or natural gas. The minerals used to make this happen were extracted at the price of blood from someone just like you in another part of the world (Appalachia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan all come to mind). Your government kills anyone who tries to resist against these extraction economies. The imperial powers of China, Russia, and the United States battle over extraction economies that aren't fully at scale yet (Ukraine, the Congo, Afghanistan all come to mind).

The secret to getting consent for all this from the populaces of the countries doing the torture is to make it seem like the torture is incomprehensibly far away from you, and that the imperial power over you is who is protecting you from it. Maybe they declare they're taking action to protect against terrorism following an apartment bombing in Chechnya. Maybe their friends in Israel provide information about Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq. The important thing is they go do their imperialism so they can keep torturing you while saying they do it to keep you safe.

But now the torture is here. In your neighborhood. The pretenses are gone. The world can all plainly see that the genocides that have been cropping up across the globe in Gaza, Darfur, Ukraine, Myanmar, Xinjiang, Ethiopia, Iraq, Syria, the Congo, Rwanda, Bosnia, Somalia, Zimbabwe, Beirut, Cambodia, East Timor, Uganda, Burundi, Bangladesh, Zanzibar, Guatemala, Chechnya, Crimea, and Poland AFTER the Holocaust are ultimately all part of a single unending war between those with power who shouldn't wield it, and those without power who don't want it. The entire planet has been locked into a growth mindset where the success of a country is measured by its GDP and not by the quality of life of its worst of citizen, and the easiest way to maintain that is to just keep on killing.

And some of the people who are about to be victimized by the torture voted for it, asked for it. They wanted it because they thought it was too far away to be truly real. They thought people like us, people saying "No it's real, and we have a moral obligation to do something about it" were exaggerating and fear mongering. Well now it's fucking here, and those of us who been saying it's real are first in line to get fucked. Soooooo... IDK, fuck fascists I guess. Done molly cottling them and trying to tell them they're misdirecting their anger. They had their chance and they fucked it, and now I'm who's getting fucked by it.

Fuckers.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

The quuuuuuuuill, spitting bars

Nice comment.

[–] iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 17 points 2 days ago

Interesting! I looked it up and the lizardman constant appears to be 4%; not too far from the 6% of Greenlanders in favor of selling their country.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slate_Star_Codex#Lizardman's_Constant

[–] oce@jlai.lu 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's not 15% in favor but 6%.

A Verian poll, commissioned by Danish newspaper Berlingske and Greenland’s Sermitsiaq publication, showed 85% of the population on the self-ruling Arctic territory don’t want to be part of the US. About 6% said they’d prefer the country over Denmark and 9% were undecided, according to the survey published Tuesday.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ah, so the headline is misleading in Trump's favor. Why am I not surprised?

[–] oce@jlai.lu 12 points 2 days ago

Probably mostly to create engagement, and it worked.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 days ago

Lol, so what's actually going on according to that, then, is that 85% are against it, 10% think it's a bad idea but are trying to keep an open mind, and 5% are lizard men.

The controversy exists only in Western news offices.

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[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago

If you read the article, 9% are undecided.

Only 6% were for it.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There's always going to be 1/3 who are dumber than the other 2/3's, or in this case ~15%!

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 days ago

Nah, like 20% of people everywhere are just dumb as rocks - in the US it looks like it's grown to be at least 35%... but there's no place on earth free of idiots.

Oh also, there's some small percentage of people that are just edgelords.... whether you count these people as idiots is probably determined by how recently you were a teenager (yes, we were all dumb once)

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (4 children)
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[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 28 points 2 days ago

I’m surprised that it wasn’t higher

[–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 42 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Maybe one day the people in the USA will reject the malignant tumor named Donald Trump

[–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (5 children)

The only positive thing about Trump really is, that he's old, and with his lifestyle may not live that long anymore.

But even then, the damage he's already done, and does in the future may prove to be permanent for the foreseeable future...

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 13 points 2 days ago

JD Vance is waiting on the wings.

Anyways, it's not Trump making these decisions. He's just signing whatever the Heritage Foundation puts in front of him. Trump isn't even capable of actually writing an executive order.

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[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 54 points 2 days ago (1 children)

fuck, i'm IN the u.s. and i'm against joining the u.s.

[–] ProfessorScience@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

Can we leave and join Denmark?

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 29 points 2 days ago

I would take Danish residence over US residence, too.

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Can we join Greenland instead? If they’re majorly rejecting trump then they’re smarter than the majority of voters in the US.

[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Next up: Trump declares Greenland a terrorist organization

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just "clean Geenland out", I guess.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 2 days ago
[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

For those who want to read longer, the original article in Berlingske. Not paywalled:

https://www.berlingske.dk/politik/new-poll-shows-overwhelming-majority-of-greenlanders-reject-trump

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

I hope they’re not forced to join us anyway…

[–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] viking@infosec.pub 16 points 2 days ago

There's 6% wanting to leave Denmark, but that's not necessarily joining the US. There has been a minor independence movement, but never really got traction.

Another 9% polled as "undecided".

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 days ago

That's the lizardman constant

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)
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[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

WTF is wrong with the other 15%

[–] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Probably people who think there is a financial benefit to them if it were to happen

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