Because it's ✨ modern ✨ and ✨ enterprise ✨
Most new software not explicitly made for and by hobbyists will assume "just throw more hardware at it" to be a valid solution to inefficiency, and unfortunately Nextcloud (especially with any of the office extensions) seems to be heading that way.
You know their tuning page? I did several of their suggestions and they helped me. https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/latest/admin_manual/installation/server_tuning.html
Cannot confirm this. For me nextcloud us very snappy and fast.
I am with you as well. I’ve had my instance up for 3 years on 4 cores and 8GB ram and each page loads in seconds. I’m not running anything crazy on it either (stock + 3ish extras). Hard drives are 4x sas in raid10.
What Hardware are you using? My nextcloud takes at most a couple seconds and has only been getting faster these last few updates.
...this is a new low for low-effort posts.
Wow.
haha sorry still getting the hang of lemmy and accidently submitted it with no body
Then, sorry - i thought this was a legitimate shtpost.
Have you tried integrating a caching mechanism? Or tried assigning more memory to PHP?
Uhm, you will need to tell us more about your hardware or setup.
I wouldn't describe my Nextcloud as especially fast or optimized, but it is only around 20s from the login screen to being able to use it. And once you are logged in it is quite fast.
i have used all sort of hardware from a pi 4 to a vm on dell server with 2 vcpus and 8GB ram and now a vm on a custom server with 4 vcpus of a AMD Ryzen 9 5900X and 8GB ram using the docker aio I havent messed with it yet because i expected it to work
You are using normal database like Postgres and it runs on a SSD?
using mariadb for my bare metal one that runs on a hdd but no clue what the docker one uses and that is on a SSD
The best is to run the database on an SSD, but move the data directory to a HDD for more storage.
What database? I use Mariadb as a backend and have never had slowness like you describe. I guess also how many files?
What kind of hardware are you using?
Nextcloud does need some tuning by default, specifically the php, nginx/apache, and database settings so that they all make use of more resources and some stuff like cache headers or opcode caching.
If you haven't used it yet, I think the AIO installation of nextcloud includes a lot of config optimization by default. I don't have experience with it, but probably worth a try?
I'm pretty sure the database tuning is what made the biggest difference to me.
I've experienced the same, even the hosted/paid instances Nextcloud recommends are very slow.
I think it's just not built to be fast.
On my server it's way much faster than WordPress (ok, being faster than the most bloated CMS is not that hard...)
If you only want online file storage and sync, you may want to try Seafile. It's a lot faster and has been rock solid since 10+ years for me. Not viable if you need some of the many nextcloud exentions though
I have the same issues with Nextcloud as OP, regardless of the hardware it's running on or what kind of optimizations I've done, but I've always hesitated to use Seafile because it doesn't keep the files in tact. They are chunked/encrypted or something else, which I'm sure helps performance, but I really value having my files just be regular files with Nextcloud, so if I ever want to take them out of Nextcloud without the help of the application, I can just do that.
I wish Seafile had an option to maintain the file integrity. If it did, I would definitely give it another try.
Yeah the files are stored in blocks. It helps deduplicating and for syncing partial files/change. If your concern is just with being able to copy the files away, there is seaf-fuse, which lets you mount it as a local filesystem: https://manual.seafile.com/extension/fuse/
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