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With the recent happenings in the United States, the dangers of the privately owned Internet is more apparent than ever, and frankly, it's scary. And so I'd like to make a simple request to anyone who is reading this; Please use the Fediverse, just a little more.

I personally hate it when I'm stuck having to visit say, YouTube or Reddit to get information, or to entertain myself in quiet moments, and if you're reading this, the likely chance is you're the same.

All I want to ask of you is to just comment a few more times, press send on that post that you felt wasn't of enough substance to be worth anyone's time. We have such a small community compared to everywhere else, but what we do have in common is that, in the grand scheme of things, we are the early adopters. And if we take that to heart and make this space a little bigger, maybe it will be just big enough we won't have to visit walled gardens so often.

Thank you :)

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[–] pigup@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago
[–] the_swagmaster@lemmy.zip 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Just joined and the community already seems pretty vibrant. It honestly doesn't feel that different from Reddit in that regard which is perfect. Reddit and the rest of them can fuck off

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Recently I've been thinking about what the internet was like in the 90s. Back when there was no social media. Maybe we should all return to forums and BBSs.

[–] JakoJakoJako13@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This and the level of free speech that came with it is really needed right now. I don't mean free speech in a go tell someone you disagree with to fuck their aunt type of way. I mean having real deep hard conversations about organizing and enabling movements. It feels like the Internet is scared of that because of monetization and content policies that have chopped the balls off of any form of organization or resistance. Like there's so much shit I wish I could say but some mod policy kills it with a pinned post at the top of the comment section before I can even begin typing out my thoughts.

[–] Wistful@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 6 days ago

I kinda started using lemmy less lately. I shall fix that!

[–] Fungah@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago (6 children)

I was recently banned from reddit.

On all my accounts.

Across four email addresses.

Simultaneously.

Many of which haven't been used in months. Years in some cases.

So - banned on one account linked to one address. Accounts linked to four other email addresses were banned. None of those accounts have been logged into from any device the account I got banned from was being used on.

The emails are linked to my phone number though.

So. Two steps ahead of you. But. They are either using some kind of NLP to identify the way I write. Or google is sharing that the accounts are linked to my phone number.

Anyway. Reddit can fuck right off. And I'll be buying a burner phone with cash to make some accounts soon.

[–] hansolo@lemm.ee 10 points 6 days ago

Google is sharing the details. Reddit is lousy with Google trackers. You literally can't log in without Google and gstatic trackers being active. Only old.reddit.com doesn't send Google your views.

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[–] fireweed@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (7 children)

I'm a fediverse supporter (obviously, that's why I'm here), however what you're looking for requires a critical mass of users that the fediverse (at least the Lemmy side of it) will never achieve as long as two very critical problems persist:

  1. sign up is confusing. People are used to clicking "create an account," inputting a user name, password, and maybe an email, and then BAM they're a user. I realize the whole instance thing is the entire point, but no one wants nor expects to have to do significant research and make a decision about how they want to interact with a social media site before they've even started using it.

  2. the site (or at least lemmy.world) is sooo slooow. Basic functions like loading images take me back to the dial-up era of "click the image then do something else while it loads," which is downright ridiculous in the 2020s. Again I've stuck with it because I want to support the fediverse, but 99% of users won't.

And no, these aren't "features not bugs" unless you want to keep the site small and homogenous.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 7 points 6 days ago

Blaze has put in a ton of work simplifying the former, and while the latter isn't strictly only related to Lemmy.world, many other servers are much faster.

e.g. click on https://discuss.online/, see how it shows All (rather than Local) by default (that's an issue with some), and Active. Click posts, see how fast images load, read the pinned posts and imagine how quickly the admin responds.

THEN if someone likes it, join. Many Redditors are in the USA, where discuss.online is also, so it's a great match.

There are other instances, but showcasing that one is a great way to help guide people to what Lemmy is all about.

[–] rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 days ago

possibly the biggest eye opener has been seeing how much the average person knows about computers, it's seriously hard to comprehend that divide (obligatory xkcd; https://xkcd.com/2501/), I think the best we can do is build a community, and give the loved ones in our lives an onboarding experience where we can. learning anything new is intimidating, but through exposure, it can be done, we've just gotta make it worth it.

[–] umean2me@discuss.online 6 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I honestly don't understand point 1. no matter how much people say it.

Maybe I'm naive because it wasn't confusing to me personally, but it is only one extra step to create an account. When people explain the Fediverse to new people they compare it to e-mail anyway, which basically has the exact same sign-up structure. The only difference to me is the way it is advertised. Nobody in general says "you need to join e-mail", it's usually "join GMail" or "join Yahoo". I don't know how it would be solved without detracting from the "choose the instance that is right for you" experience though, since the instances with the most support and funding will obviously hold the most influence (as we currently see with lemmy.world and lemmy.ml, not to mention pixelfed.social).

IDK maybe I'm wrong, lmk, but I don't think choosing an instance is all the friction it's said to be.

The big instances are definitely slower though.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think you're drastically underestimating how even small steps like that can tune a ton of people out. If they're only sort of on the fence about it it might be enough to make it not worth it. Or maybe they'll think they'll check later but never get around to it.

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm ADHDing as hard as I can already bro

[–] rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 days ago

infodump harder

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 6 days ago (4 children)

!piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com (blocked by lemmy.world instance)

Sail free in the high seas!

Also, I want to mention Briar it's a peer-to-peer communications app that allows communications not only by internet (via tor), but also bluetooth, wifi. There are no servers, all the data on right on your device. Its available for Android, and there's also desktop clients. You can form a mesh network of your fellow revolutionaries, the oppressors can shut down the internet, but not the flow of information. If everyone in a protest added each other as contacts on Briar on their phone, you can theretically have a Briar forum that can share information on any law enforcemement or military movements, even during an internet shutdown. (beware of possible phone backdoors tho, maybe run Graphene OS or something)

There are already Briar Public Forums, but they don't have much activity (there's like 1 post/comment every other month, and that's it). But its like a secret corner of the internet. If we get more people to use it, we can potentially have a peer-to-peer network instead of only being decentralized, but still having servers.

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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe in the coming 4 years people will finally understand why handing over everything to corps isn't great. Whether they'll do anything with that understanding is questionable though. The amount of "but it's so easy" and "I'm just one person" doomerism is fantastic.

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[–] rockettaco37@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

We need to get more people to adopt the Fediverse. The issue is lack of engagement.

[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I jumped on board with the reddit API fiasco. I use Sync primarily since I'm familiar with the format and I browse and post often.

I think one problem is that it's confusing to your average Joe. I honestly still don't quite understand how it works. I see posts like .ml and .world and I have no idea what they are even though I've been here a while.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 days ago

I see posts like .ml and .world and I have no idea what they are even though I’ve been here a while.

In a group email, you might see people from Gmail and Outlook as recipients. It doesn't really matter that everyone, everyone can still see the emails and send them to each other.

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[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I already use fediverse an unhealthy amount, if I do more I might die.

you aren't social mediaing right unless it makes you bleed

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[–] sircac@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The first step is to overcome the dependence of the common forum places, being able to renounce to them, remove your profile and learn to enjoy your life without them… only then you can happily drift into a less crowded and active community for ocasional wonders and quality instead of the saturation of engagement that “that” centralised social media offers, the peer pressure to be part of the main stream…

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[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Since all this shit started happening I've deleted all the social media apps on my phone and I've started using lemmy more. Gonna switch my YouTube shit over to peertube when I can.

Intending to actually delete my accounts in the coming weeks too. Bye bye, 13 year old reddit account. Nobody gonna miss ya.

Tbf I have been using Nebula a lot since I signed up pretty cheaply and I enjoy it. It's owned by the creators. Found it through Jacob Geller.

[–] Naia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

YouTube is a bit of an issue as unlike the others there's a lot of content and information you can't get elsewhere.

I've been considering using a proxy to scrape and download subscriptions and add them to a personal server. Probably not practical to do for everything though with how much space that would be.

At the very least see if there's a wrapper that can strip out a lot of content and just show the stuff I want to watch VS all the nonsense they fire at you.

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[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I would agree to this but with one caveat Let's try to be better than Reddit. These days, Reddit and to some degree let me also has become a circle jerk of closed minds (on all sides of any issue). When confronted with a position they disagree with, people are far too quick to write the person off as a racist, statist, Nazi, anarchist, commie, etc. Rather than considering the merit of the person statement. Let's be better than that. Let's all be better than that.

Having a closed mind is easy. It's lazy. It gets you to that hit of dopamine faster, you tell someone off and hit post and you feel like you've done good. But most of the time you haven't. You've done nothing to persuade them of your viewpoint, or enhance the discussion for others.

That's not to say nobody's wrong. There's plenty of people who are wrong about every issue. But tell them why they're wrong. Have a little good faith, assume that just maybe the person on the other end of the thread has good intentions, also wants the world to succeed and society to be great, they just think their view will help make that happen better. So rather than calling them an idiot, tell them why you're right and your ideas are better. Engage with them.

That's how Reddit used to be. Not recently, I'm talking way back in the early days before the digg migration. It was a place for intelligent people to have reasoned discussions. Let's make lemmy more like that.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I dislike the constant reddit comparisson.

Lets just try to be our own thing. Not like reddit and also not unlike reddit just be lemmy.

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[–] moseschrute@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Yeah I’m guilty of that. I posted to Reddit today, but not Lemmy. I’ve been telling my friends to switch to federated social media, but I still find myself slipping back to Reddit. Not because I like Reddit better but because they have more content or I already know where to look for specific content. But I’m going to try and post more. Thanks for the reminder!

[–] rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

be the change you want to see in the world! sincerely, the new owner and moderator of !falloutmods@lemmy.world and !fallout@lemmy.world, respectively

[–] Noggog@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Hey! Just subbed! I've been hoping to make more media content around my Bethesda mod tooling Mutagen. I'll be cross posting there when I do!

[–] rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 days ago

that's wonderful to hear! every new modding tool in the arsenal is massive. I look forward to it! sincerely, someone who has a windows dual boot exclusively to be able to use the creation kit.

[–] Mechaguana@programming.dev 4 points 6 days ago

Everytime i go back on reddit the qualitt of that content keeps going down, just like my battery.

[–] Lennnny@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Yes sir/ma'am/person!

[–] Ketchup@reddthat.com 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Love that sentiment. And I love the fediverse. Thanks to every developer and every one of us using this. I deleted Reddit in 2022 and never looked back, thanks to all of you. I use my phone a little less, and YouTube is the only thing I still use that’s not federated.

[–] skaffi@infosec.pub 2 points 5 days ago

Can you delete it a little harder? It's still there for me. Maybe you only put it in the thrash bin. You need to either empty the bin, or press shift+delete in order to delete it permanently.

Godspeed. We're all counting on you, oh ye who has the power to delete all of Reddit!

P.S.: Not trying to make fun of you, btw! Just entertaining myself. "Deleting" something sounds so different when you're used to using it through your browser. :D

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (4 children)

It would be great to have a fediverse service for Meetup. Bending Spoons is aggressively enshittifying the original site, definitely ripe for disruption.

[–] rosahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

i have never used meetup, does mobilizon seem a decent fit? https://joinmobilizon.org/en/

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[–] msmithivas@leminal.space 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I joined Lemmy to find something like this. Have you seen Smoke Signal? It's an events site built on AT Protocol. Has promise but doesn't have the discussion threading that Meetup has.

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[–] greeneyestyle@lemm.ee 8 points 6 days ago

I just deleted most of my other social media apps and am trying to lean into the fediverse and nostr as much as I can.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago

If anyone can help, what's the "shit just works" pixelfed version? I joined the biggest one but don't want to give one instance too much power.
I tried to join the 5th or 6th largest but the buttons to sign up wouldn't work :(

[–] Elrecoal19_0@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Yeah, I'm trying to change Reddit by Lemmy, and I'm moving out of Instagram, since I made it just to connect with friends (so I still have to ask some friends for contact info outside Reddit and Instagram so I can quit for good)

[–] maub@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 days ago

There's this thing called "Global Switch Day" that I'd like people to talk more about. It does not seem to be anything official, but I like to think that anything potentially bringing more people to the Fediverse deserves a bit of support. Also I've just done a small write-up on the things that might keep people from joining and/or staying with the Fediverse. I did the most 90s thing imaginable and posted it on my personal blog.

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