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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/37218429

When called out on it, they then doubled down on this dogshit take: https://archive.ph/quYyb

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[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Is what he's saying true? That the antitrust laws he's referring to were started by trump?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Bro, he's got Musk as a cabinet member and was put into the spotlight by Murdoch and Thiel, and his Supreme Court gives out handies to any CEO that asks.

If he did anti-trust anything it was either by accident, for revenge against a specific company, or intendes to be used as it was in the 1890's:

To bust unions.

https://www.britannica.com/event/Sherman-Antitrust-Act

[–] Burn1ngBull3t@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I was looking to use ProtonVPN but since that story, i would prefer an alternative.

What do you guys use for VPN (i think i saw Mullvad in the replies ?)

[–] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 5 points 19 hours ago

Mullvad

I thought they were wonderful. Until they got rid of port forwarding, which is the only reason why I was paying them: as a torrenting VPN.

If you don't need that feature, Mullvad is still great...they take privacy/security seriously! That's why they got rid of the feature I used haha.

They've also been put to the test and passed IMO:

https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/21/23692580/mullvad-vpn-raid-sweden-police

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

I use PIA VPN.

[–] Undearius@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I really don't understand this compulsion people have to publicly announce their political support.

Like, this guy could have just said nothing, literally just not do anything, and he'd be better off.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 9 hours ago

That's not how sucking up to fascists works though.

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Me being too lazy and putting off switching to Proton has paid off!

[–] 0x0@infosec.pub 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I cancelled my newly made subscription because of this and asked for the money back, currently theyre trying to stall that by all means.

I went with mailbox.org instead for much cheaper, the setup was really simple, but ive heard great things of other providers as well.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

Posteo is another good one, Disroot as well

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Oh mailbox seems cool. I'm personally using mxroute.com to host my domain's email but to be fully honest, I'm still stuck on the Gmail for most things.

I mostly use my person domain email for things like a contact address on my résumé.

I want to switch fully to my personal domain email but mxroute's web app(s) kind of suck 😅

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 12 points 1 day ago

People here need to read about how fascism in Germany and Italy were good for business but terrible for the workers. About how the moneyed interests played a role in the rise of fascism in both as a defense mechanism against unions and socialism.

[–] treasoner@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago

Republicans haven’t stood for the little guy for at least….40 years?

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

what the fuck???? literally HOW did he reach that conclusion
Anyone got a email site that won't shut down or turn fascist?

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world -1 points 16 hours ago

He hasn't turned fascist though

[–] dan@upvote.au 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

FastMail has been around a long time and they're very good. MXRoute is good too and lets you have unlimited email addresses at an unlimited number of domains (they only limit it based on storage space)

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 70 points 2 days ago

This comment right here absolutely nails it.

The Republicans have installed a Supreme Court that guts antitrust at every step, and Andy gives them a pass. Anyone that's that bloody oblivious of how the GOP have spent 25 years trying to remove consumer protections at every turn shouldn't be managing a popsicle stand, let alone an email service so many rely on to be private.

What a redundant muffin.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Support business policies of a group that removes oversight, accountability, responsibility, and makes it so he keeps more money.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What do US domestic politics have to do with a small Swiss company? Is there an indication that Proton would be sanctioned otherwise?

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (8 children)

https://www.openbiz.io/blog/15-things-to-know-about-u-s-taxes-for-foreign-companies

  1. Foreign companies are generally subject to U.S. tax on U.S. source income. This includes income from selling goods or services in the United States, from owning or leasing property in the United States, and from investing in U.S. securities.

So yeah, doing business in the US, getting paid by US people, subjects them to some US regulations. Hence, they are affected by US domestic policy and politics.

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[–] ChicagoTransplant@midwest.social 161 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The initial post could just be chalked up to naivety if we're feeling charitable, but using the official proton accounts for this stuff is an extremely bad move. Then half-assedly retracting it without acknowledging he posted it, doubling down, and making every classic PR mistake. Aside from potential capitulation to a regime that clearly values power more than human rights, there's significant risk from a person with such bad judgement having apparently no safeguards or second opinions when he's posting. What other decisions is he unilaterally making for proton that aren't publicly known?

[–] db2@lemmy.world 78 points 2 days ago

He's another mini Elon wannabe, obviously. They're coming out of the woodwork lately.

I hope people are taking notes so these scum don't get to skate later when it falls down around their ears.

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[–] letsgo2themall@lemmy.world 116 points 2 days ago (17 children)

Cancelled my years long subscription today. Any company that bows down to tRump should be avoided. Vote with your wallet.

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 77 points 2 days ago

Guy who sells VPNs really supportive of political party that blocks parts of the internet regionally

[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 2 days ago

When called out on it, they then doubled down on this dogshit take:

That makes it seem like Andy here just doubled down, but it's way worse than that. The company released an official statement doubling down on Yen's stance.

[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 77 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

Grrrreat... Can anyone please suggest an alternative? I've switched to Proton trying to de-Google...

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 68 points 2 days ago (10 children)

For Email: Posteo, Tutanota, Disroot

For VPN: Mullvad, AirVPN, IVPN

For password manager: Keypassxc, Bitwarden

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[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 85 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The post was deleted and they are in cleanup mode. Best thing we can do is post this everywhere and demand a public apology and the firing of Andy Yen.

Otherwise end your subscriptions!

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 16 points 2 days ago

We can demand his firing but unfortunately he's one of three founders, he's unlikely to be fired. But I hope it's a wakeup call to them that they should have a policy of keeping their mouth shut on politics, including all board members.

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[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago

Canceled my sub last night, ported everything to Tuta today. No issues this far.

Super disappointing, but is what it is and I'll move on.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is bewildering. What a shame.

I had minor gripes with some of their services but Proton has broadly been pretty great in my eyes.

Some CEOs baffle me. Surely, even if they are massive fans of one US political party over the other, they'd have the sense to keep it to themselves to prevent it becoming a thing that causes a fallout with existing/potential customers? But no. They're too fucking narcissistic for that, and they think everyone wants to hear their opinions and follow them.

[–] jrs100000@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

Most of the companies/ceos doing this over the past few weeks do know better. That's why they didnt say anything earlier. The reason they would be publicly taking this stance now is that they either expect to be rewarded by the incoming administration, or they hope to avoid punitive retaliation.

[–] Hellmo_Luciferrari@lemm.ee 33 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Cancelled my subscription today. I will be finding an alternative.

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[–] atx_aquarian@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago (4 children)

It seems obvious to me now.

Many US states are now requiring age verification for adult sites. VPN companies will benefit if that requirement expands. The Republican party's pearl-clutching politics are what can make that happen.

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[–] priapus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's a shame I have a year subscription to them. I'll be cancelling and moving the second it runs outs.

[–] 0x0@infosec.pub 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Cancel it now so you dont forget it while it autorenews.

[–] priapus@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

Already did!

[–] MysticKetchup@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago

Believing in any way that Republicans are helping out the little guy or against big business is so ridiculous I have to believe this is willful ignorance to cover up the fact that a lot more people will need VPNs with all the porn bans and other privacy nightmares the right will pass the next few years.

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