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Good day! I am trying to find a good alternative as not to use the"smart" functions or using an Xbox to consume our media. I found a few options ie like plasma big screen but it's no longer in development. Essentially I would line love to have it running on an rpi4 and just hooked up to the TV.

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[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Currently I'm working on a Plasma Bigscreen build that still gives some privacy and 1080p Netflix/Disney+/Crunchyroll etc by using extensions/WebApps and getting S-Tube and other android apps (including tv web browser) via Waydroid + Flauncher, all controllable through a simple IR controller.

If you pm me I'll set it as a reminder for when I finish to share the package. It's designed for an Odroid C4.

As for dumb tvs or more privacy friendly tvs, you can find them if you know where to look. Here's some options from LG:

https://www.lg.com/us/business/digital-signage

They had a dumb 65" 4k OLED too but it's currently out of stock.

[–] smileyhead@infosec.pub 2 points 8 hours ago

OS ≠ user interface.

Use whatever OS that runs Kodi or some other user interface the best (with privacy also being considered to be best).

[–] Canuck@sh.itjust.works 9 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

I find having the full OS is useful, and this KDE environment proves great https://plasma-bigscreen.org/

[–] dingdongitsabear@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 hours ago

As of right now, Plasma Bigscreen isn't available for public use yet.

[–] yatzy@lemmy.zip 1 points 9 hours ago

Thanks for reminding about this project! Had a look a year back and it looked quite green at the time. Any first hand experience, how did you install it?

[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

This looks cool but having the shell feel good on a TV is one thing, having apps is another. If I open Firefox on theat thing, am I going to see the same app as I do on desktop... only 10 feet away? I immediately asked this after I saw VS Code in the screenshot there because what is the point in having an accessible 10 foot UI to use it to launch an app where I won't be able to read the menus and navigate around in an accustomed fashion?

[–] Osiris@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago

Fwiw - I have both an LG C2 and a newer Samsung QLED. Neither have ever been connected to the internet, never pester me to connect, and the both turn on right to to my Apple TV

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 26 points 1 day ago (13 children)

The main issue for me is not finding a device to play content, but a dumb screen that is not a potatoe. A 4k HDR OLED Screen without any smart features is basically nowhere to be found

[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

I also tried finding a dumb 4K TV some time ago and, yeah, they don't exist. 4K TVs were a good tech that came out at the wrong time.

[–] tritonium@midwest.social 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I mean... just don't connect it.

[–] clmbmb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 hours ago

Some devices will prompt you to upgrade the firmware and won't let you do it without internet access, AFTER you're logged in to their platform.

[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Look into commercial displays. They're dumb TV's.

[–] Guenther_Amanita@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 day ago (5 children)

You could maybe get an advertisement screen. You know, those you find at train stations and stores.

Maybe, you could even get something like those touch panels McDonald's uses, that would be nice!

[–] triptrapper@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

They have a handful of dumb screens, like you're describing, at Best Buy. Somehow they're thousands of dollars for a normal sized TV.

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[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 19 hours ago
[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As others have suggested, OSMC is OK, but personally I prefer having Android so that I can use SmarttubeNext and access native apps for stuff like Jellyfin, Dropout, Nebula, etc. For years I played with various Linux options, but in the end I ditched it all for an Nvidia Shield and I couldn't be happier with the results.

[–] SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Is there an android box more powerful than Shield? I love my shield TV, but I wonder if it needs an upgrade in a year or two.

[–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

My parents bought Xiaomi TV box (could search for the exact name if anyone's interested), which runs GoogleTV (Which is just AndroidTV, they renamed for some reason) and comes with a remote. It even has hardware acceleration for AV1 playback. Downside is of course that it has all the Google spying shit and ads in the home menu but at least it works well and you can use all the apps you want without issue. Idk if there's something like LineageOS for AndroidTV, that would be great.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 points 56 minutes ago

Idk if there's something like LineageOS for AndroidTV, that would be great.

Agreed, I would love this.

[–] tritonium@midwest.social 2 points 13 hours ago

I also think Android has the best apps... SmartTube, Tivimate, and S0undTV can't be beat and have no good alternatives on other platforms. I run 4k firesticks that I blocked from updates long ago so I could have my own launcher/home screen instead of the ad riddled default one, but want to upgrade eventually. Been wondering lately how well AndroidTV on x86 runs... couldn't find anything on YouTube.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's been years since I've shopped for a TV, but... can't you just not connect it to the internet? I have a little microPC running Linux connected to our TV; it's smarter than any other TV I've seen, but the TV itself is stupid.

Why can't someone just get a smart TV and just never let it get online?

I mean, sure, if I had my 'druthers, I wouldn't be paying for features I don't use, but if it's literally impossible to buy dumb TVs, what's the issue?

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I used to do that but it would constantly nag until I connected it

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 hours ago

Mines connected for home automation but can't connect to the internet. Blocking the Mac address from going out.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Hmm. Just curious: did you try creating a tar pit subnet for it, which it could connect to but not escape from?

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Definitely curious as well, but so far haven’t gotten around to trying

[–] sxan@midwest.social 2 points 4 hours ago

I mean, someday I'll get a new TV, and I'd just been assuming I'd leave it disconnected... but I hadn't thought about the nagware, and that would definitely be an issue.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 20 hours ago

They TV companies make lots of money from selling ad space and preinstalled apps. (They likely sell at a loss initially)

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I literally have a rpi4 and just put libreELEC on it

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Kodi is a great choice regardless of distro, whether that's libreelec, osmc, or just regular Raspbian.

I installed Kodi on my RetroPie setup, and it works well.

[–] mhzawadi@lemmy.horwood.cloud 15 points 1 day ago (4 children)

have a look at OSMC, you write it to the Pi SD card and it gives you Kodi all setup and ready use. you can even use your TV remote to control it

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[–] bigb@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If Android is okay, I'd recommend the ONN 4K Pro player from Walmart (if located in the U.S.) with some privacy caveats:

  • Do as little with Google: Make a throwaway login if Google requires one to get the device started up. Try to avoid Google Play Store as much as possible. If privacy from Google isn't a concern, feel free to use your Google account to download apps from the Google Play Store.
  • Learn how to sideload apps: There are multiple ways to do this, like a USB drive or FTP server.
  • Pick an alternate launcher: This will replace the default Android TV OS UI with one that has much more flexability and no ads. FLauncher and Projectivity are ones that I recommend to friends.

The final product is a modern streaming device with much more flexability than any other store-bought device. Building a HTPC with Linux is probably the true self hosted option. Personally, I'm able to afford some privacy sacrifices with Google for something that "just works."

[–] adhocfungus@midwest.social 4 points 20 hours ago

I got one of these recently and it works well. Much smoother than whatever my Smart TV is natively running and it doesn't crash constantly.

If it were just me I'd have set up a small HTPC with Kodi, but my family needs something that works without ever needing my intervention, and it needs to run the 100 streaming services we hemorrhage money to. These boxes are super cheap and let me run Jellyfin too.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 20 hours ago

The old software versions support Lineage OS. If you can find one that was unlocked before they broke unlocking you are in luck. If not Google is bad for privacy.

[–] ProperlyProperTea@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As others are saying, OSMC might work. Most difficult part is making it so that the TV turns on when you turn on the computer since ARC isn't a thing for most computers.

I ended up giving up on OSMC and bought an Apple TV since nothing else got the "wife approval" factor. It's better than Google getting my data, has a Plex client, and let's me stream my Steam library.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 20 hours ago

The RPI has CEC support

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