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I’m looking into getting a flip phone with a separate number so that I can sign up for a few apps that without associating them with ~~the complete identity profile in the data marketplace that is linked to~~ my actual phone number.

To be clear, the apps will still be downloaded and utilized on my primary smartphone. But the phone number through which I receive verification codes during registration will be a separate device.

Has any one done this? Tips for selecting a cheapo phone and prepaid service?

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Prepaid is the same as Postpaid in my country (USA). I can't speak for your country, but here, banks accepted my prepaid number just fine. My Google Voice (VOIP) number, however, got rejected by my bank. So banks here seem to treat prepaid as just a normal number.

The only way to test if that work is to buy the cheapest plan and try it. Don't give up if it fails, sometimes you get a number that was misused by the person who has it before and they got the number flagged, try again by contacting customer service of your cell service and requesting a number change.

[–] angelmountain@feddit.nl 2 points 4 hours ago

Yes, I created an entire fake identity with it that I'm now using here so I can say what I want without worrying about loosing my job.

One thing to keep in mind is that most prepaid providers require you to use the phone every once in a while, or you loose the number (don't ask me how I know and don't ask me what happens if I forgot my password)

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 15 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

A bit out there, but I plan on doing this soon:

  • Get a SIM
  • Grab an old Android phone
  • Relay SMS to Matrix via the SMS bridge

I already use Matrix bridges for Signal, Discord, IRC, etc, so this means the number is never tied to my location, but I can use it for things like banking 2FA.

[–] brownmustardminion@lemmy.ml 11 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You should publish a guide once you do it. That sounds pretty interesting.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 6 points 10 hours ago

I could, but honestly the guides for Matrix and then for the mautrix (not a typo) bridges are pretty good if you click through to them: https://matrix.org/ecosystem/bridges/sms/

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 1 points 9 hours ago

Yup, it works in the Czech Republic and it's fully anonymous. How would they know it's prepaid?

I use phones from e-waste, 2G still works here so there's plenty of Nokias (even 3310-like ones) I can use.

[–] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 18 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

This is standard practice for me. You don't even need another flip phone. Most phones come with a dual sim tray. I keep the 2nd sim in my phone and keep the sim switched off in the settings. I do all signups with this number.

[–] Dust0741@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Got flip phone recommendations?

[–] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago

Nope. I've never used one.

[–] Aslanta@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

This is the answer I was looking for! Thank you!

[–] Thetimefarm@lemm.ee 2 points 3 hours ago

The IMEI number on the phone is essentially locked to the device, swapping sims won't change it. So a phone activated under your real name on one network could technically get traced back to you even when using a different SIM card.

Also, carrying a phone with both SIMs active is completely unprotected from correlation attacks by anyone with access to the cell tower data. It'd be blatantly obvious that the location of one SIM is the same as the other all the time.

All depends on the threat level you expect, but if you're worried about a VOIP account being compromised to get your real number, you are talking about pretty sophisticated actors.

[–] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 8 points 15 hours ago

Just be careful about the sim expiring. Each network will have its own rules. The sim I have stipulates that it needs to be topped up at least once every 6 months and a call or SMS sent every 3 months to keep it active.

[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.world 18 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Honestly, if you don't want a separate device, I'd sign up for a VoIP number. I use voip.ms, it's a dollar or two a month for the number, and you pay per minute and per text (about a penny each, IIRC). You can forward calls to your primary number, or set up a SIP app (I'm using one called ZoiPer). I usually load it up with $20 per year or so.

[–] fahfahfahfah@lemmy.billiam.net 18 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

A lot of services block known voip numbers. I remember my Google voice number not working on a lot of sites

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

I use Google voice for everything so I wonder which you’re thinking of

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Lots is US banks reject VoIP numbers.
Discord rejects them as well but I doubt many here use it.

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago

I don’t use it for those cases. Mostly use it when I don’t want a website to have my data. I use my real one for gov and banking

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 7 points 15 hours ago

GV doesn't work anymore for many services, such as banks.

[–] fahfahfahfah@lemmy.billiam.net 4 points 16 hours ago

I can’t remember at this point, as google stealthily reclaimed my number at some point because the decided it wasn’t being used enough

[–] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 2 points 16 hours ago

Possibly the public ones, that don't require an account or payment.

[–] Aslanta@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The problem I have with this is that it still links to my primary number through data profiling. Seems like a good option if I just want to keep my personal number separate from my work clients. But for data privacy, idk.

[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Through data profiling? Not sure what you mean.

Every person has a massive profile (table / database) built all about them. This isn't conspiracy. This is big business. There are a few data brokerage companies focused on people:

-Acxiom (worlds biggest broker, pretty much every piece of junk mail you get drives from a company purchasing data from them)

-TransUnion (credit, such as if you pay the minimum bill or are late on payments)

-CoreLogic (all real estate purchase information)

-FourSquare Labs (location broker which i find to be particularly insidious)

There are also databases built specifically for business entities, such as Data Axle.

And companies will purchase packages from ALL of these data brokers when they want to target a specific audience.

[–] Imprint9816@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 16 hours ago

smspool seems like a much simpler / cheaper solution.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 6 points 18 hours ago

i've been using prepaid for almost a decade now and i only buy $100 androids with the latest release and i use my voip number for everything.

i started doing the prepaid plan because i don't always renew each month since i only need the data connection and i'm almost always at home. the $100 androids are a thing for me because i'm klutz with all personal electronics. so it's more like i accidentally stumbled upon this form of privacy rather than seeking it out from the onset.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 5 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Depends on country. In the United States, you might look at something like the T-Mobile Connect prepaid plan and the Nokia 225 4G. And yes, prepaid numbers absolutely do work for app registrations. I've been on prepaid for years and had no issues. It's voice over IP numbers that have problems.

[–] MaxHardwood@lemmy.ca 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

A way around that is to port a prepaid number to a voip service. I've kept old numbers that way when moving

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I have been thinking about going with JMP chat and if I do that's probably what I would do just port my current number to them so that I don't lose it since that's my primary number and I don't really want to deal with getting a new one and giving it out to everybody.

[–] MaxHardwood@lemmy.ca 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Get a prepaid with an eSIM with AT&T/Rogers (or any of their MVNO's) for maximum compatibility; cheapest the better. You need an eSIM compatible phone. You can verify this through the carrier's site from your phone.

Only need the IMEI and Account number essentially

Port the number to voip.ms

Do whatever you want with that number for like pennies a year.

VoIP.ms has an SMS app for android that I know of

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 hours ago

Even if it's more expensive, I will probably go with JMP because it's open source and open source to me is a hill I am willing to die on. I do absolutely everything I possibly can to use only open source software at any time that it is feasibly possible to do so.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 18 hours ago

I don't see why it wouldn't work. Just VoIP numbers often get rejected.