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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 day ago

I think it was revealed several times already in the past. Few examples out my hat:

  1. When it was revealed how little they pay artists

  2. When they tried to corner the podcast market

  3. When they gave Joe fucking Rogan two hundred and fifty fucking million dollars for an exclusive deal

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

I don't pay for Spotify, but if I do pay for music then I would choose Tidal

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

But I am grateful for independent journalism, which is now my main hope for the future.

Well guess who's in control of eyeballs on those journalists?

Social media companies, who have clear incentives to deprioritize such content and have repeatedly shown they do.

Let’s reclaim music from the technocrats. They have not proven themselves worthy of our trust.

While I agree with the article, I have issue with this line. These are not technocrats, they are "leaders" willing to make companies and their products objectively worse in the name of short term profits. These aren't 'technical experts put in charge,' they are greedy, spineless pigs.

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

I don't think this is earth shattering news. These companies identify when the audience is barely paying attention (to content and ads) and spits out the cheap stuff. I watch fly fishing and fly tying videos on YouTube and often fall asleep with it on. Then I wake up to the third hour of a professional bass fishing tournament. It happens a lot

[–] crank0271@lemmy.world 251 points 3 days ago (28 children)

From the article:

"...journalist Liz Pelly has conducted an in-depth investigation, and published her findings in Harper’s—they are part of her forthcoming book Mood Machine: The Rise of Spotify and the Costs of the Perfect Playlist.

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"Now she writes:

'What I uncovered was an elaborate internal program. Spotify, I discovered, not only has partnerships with a web of production companies, which, as one former employee put it, provide Spotify with “music we benefited from financially,” but also a team of employees working to seed these tracks on playlists across the platform. In doing so, they are effectively working to grow the percentage of total streams of music that is cheaper for the platform.'

In other words, Spotify has gone to war against musicians and record labels."

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 152 points 3 days ago (15 children)

Once they get maket shared they start extracting...

To normal people this is called enshitification

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[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 63 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

For ease of reading, the investigation he refers to:

https://harpers.org/archive/2025/01/the-ghosts-in-the-machine-liz-pelly-spotify-musicians/

In short: fake artists with stock music (changing labels and other camouflage applied). Likely goal: to depreciate streaming counts for actual artists and increase profit margins.

What I uncovered was an elaborate internal program. Spotify, I discovered, not only has partnerships with a web of production companies, which, as one former employee put it, provide Spotify with “music we benefited from financially,” but also a team of employees working to seed these tracks on playlists across the platform. In doing so, they are effectively working to grow the percentage of total streams of music that is cheaper for the platform. The program’s name: Perfect Fit Content (PFC). The PFC program raises troubling prospects for working musicians. Some face the possibility of losing out on crucial income by having their tracks passed over for playlist placement or replaced in favor of PFC; others, who record PFC music themselves, must often give up control of certain royalty rights that, if a track becomes popular, could be highly lucrative. But it also raises worrying questions for all of us who listen to music. It puts forth an image of a future in which—as streaming services push music further into the background, and normalize anonymous, low-cost playlist filler—the relationship between listener and artist might be severed completely.

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[–] Boozilla@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Many of my friends use it. I'm old school and just keep a collection of mp3s on multiple devices for backup.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (8 children)

It's all but impossible to purchase an mp3 anymore. Anywhere you can theoretically buy music does everything it can to lock you in to their ecosystem and prevent you from accessing your music outside of it.

[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 32 points 2 days ago (18 children)

I believe that Bandcamp is doing a pretty good job with it. But you can always sail the seas

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[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 3 points 1 day ago

I've bought a ton of music off bandcamp and qobuz. Definitely not mp3 tho, not when lossless versions are also available

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[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 169 points 3 days ago (8 children)

I mean they paid Joe Rogan $100 million dollars so they have already wrecked their reputation.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (8 children)

I didn't know this, but it makes sense. One of my biggest complaints about streaming (Pandora is guilty of this, too) is that anyone with a copy of Ableton and a mediocre talent can crank out tracks barely modifying the base toolset. I tend to listen to a lot of variants of electronic music. 95% of the music is absolute crap. 4.5% is tolerable. And 0.5% might end up in my playlist. Less tan 1:100/songs. I have no doubt that “band” or artist names were made up to crank something out, abandoned, and started up under a different name to churn out more boring samesies hoping for a few plays in one of those “made for you” playlists.

So the service doing this for themselves and enabling it for profit isn’t surprising.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This ratio has been true of music forever. We have always depended on filters to get to the good stuff. Used to be access to recording studios (hence labels fucking everyone), then DJ’s setting taste (had its own problems). Pick a period of time there’s always a group or economic filter separating wheat from the chaff (not perfectly but generally successfully?) which makes it hard for independent/lesser knows to break through.

Now everyone can record and publish easily, so it’s about finding shortcuts or tricks to game the system and get ahead. Or, as always, just get lucky 🤷‍♂️

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[–] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 47 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Pirate the music, use ListenBrainz (which is FOSS) to analyze your listening behavior and make recommendations

[–] mac@lemm.ee 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

My listenbrainz recs are kinda meh compared to last.fm. I scrobble to both, and maloja via multi-scrobbler.

What server do you use to host your music? Would love to set up one of the *arrs to auto download recs from the different scrobble databases and then delete them after a week or so if I don't "like" the track. Are you aware of any client can support that flow?

I will say, none of the scrobble DBs I have used have recommendations as good as Spotify. Daylists are pretty sweet. I do think the Spotify API is free to use but I havent taken a dive in on what I can get from it

[–] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 1 points 4 hours ago

I don't know about spotify recommendations, but given the incredible amount of user data they have it makes a lot of sense that they have the best recommendations. I love LB for providing a FOSS alternative, and though they steadily grow, they are still comparatively tiny. But I think they are our best shot at noncorporate automated music recommendations.

For your questions, I have no idea. I'm not tech savvy at all myself.

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[–] Sakychu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 3 days ago (3 children)

"Our single best hope is a cooperative streaming platform owned by labels and musicians."

Oh yeah that worked great with movie and television streaming. I really like to pay the same price for just a tenth of the selection..

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[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Bandcamp is the way to go and Tidal if you really need streaming.

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[–] binom@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

the german tv channel ARD actually published a three-part investigation into Spotify and Eventim middle of 2023 where they spotlighted this issue as well. it's a great watch if you understand german!

it's called Dirty Little Secrets

EDIT: here's episode two, the relevant one where they investigate what they call "ghost musicians"

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 104 points 3 days ago (3 children)

There's a reason why artists have to sell 50$ t-shirts at shows. Back in the days, the label would leech you dry, and now it's Spotify, on top of your label

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 64 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

An obscure Swedish jazz musician got more plays than most of the tracks on Jon Batiste’s We Are—which had just won the Grammy for Album of the Year (not just the best jazz album, but the best album in any genre). How was that even possible?

LOL a couple obvious reasons are that Spotify listeners don't get to vote for grammy awards - only a few thousand people do - and to be eligible for a grammy an album has to be released in the United States. The awards are more heavily influenced by album sales than subjective judgements of musical quality. Jimi Hendrix never won a grammy. Neither did Bob Marley or Diana Ross. There's a lot already wrong with the grammys.

The fake musicians and possibly AI-generated songs are more interesting. If the music industry is trying to eliminate musicians it wouldn't be to avoid paying them - they've already figured out lots of ways to do that - it would be to have complete control over the music.

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[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 92 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The last and only truth I needed to know about Spotify was it's 250 million dollar deal with Joe Rogan, who is antivax incel cancer, and that was it for me. No need to learn or know any more about them.

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[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago (6 children)

One of the best thing to do is to pirate almost all of your music and then reward the creators by going to their shows, buying them shirts or even CDs (you can also rip physical copy if piracy is not a thing)

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Or buy off Bandcamp on Friday's. But also support local and developmental acts

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[–] Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I have always been surprised that Spotify was so popular. I used them a while back and was abhorred with how shit the experience was. Stopped and never touched it again.

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