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[–] uservoid1@lemmy.world 99 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

One can interpret the maps as: Rural children are diagnosed less than children in large cities

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 17 points 16 hours ago

Map can be interpreted as "if you look for something, you'll find it."

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 10 points 14 hours ago

Absolutely not. There's some hugely populated places in cold spots here and very rural hot spots. Rural Georgia is all red here. The greater San Francisco bay area is a cold spot. Dallas-Ft. Worth, Minneapolis, Seattle too. Some very rural parts of Mississippi are hot spots here.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 30 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I don't know, a lot of the red is over pretty rural areas in the south and parts of the southwest, and the majority of the most rural parts of the country are "not significant".

Also that big blue part in the middle covers some very large cities.

[–] Kitathalla@lemy.lol 3 points 10 hours ago

The 'not significant' part could be due to low numbers in general, so they can't get the variances small enough to get low p numbers. It's a quote that I can't quite remember perfectly that is well known in sociology/psychology: "The only reason our findings aren't significant is because we're too damn lazy to drag enough people in for the study."

[–] nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 5 points 17 hours ago

All kinds of medical regulation, financing etc. could lead to differences like this.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 14 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Could also be effects of air pollution or something. There’s not enough information to tell.

But yeah, maps like this are almost always cities doing things differently than rural areas.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

Could represent genetic distribution. Autism is heritable.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

The middle of nowhere Montana has more pollution than downtown Dallas?

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago

Well the point was more “unknown environmental effects” rather than air pollution specifically.

[–] kemsat@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

Isn’t the oil industry doing stuff up in Montana?

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com 2 points 18 hours ago

Yeah. Could also be that spending time outside also helps. (The causation might be reversed though).

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 47 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

For reference. That middle blue spot is centered on the DFW metroplex. An area of over 8.4M people in the center. What that most likely means is there are a large number there that are undiagnosed likely due to political and educational reasons.

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 18 points 15 hours ago

Nah, that's centered on Oklahoma. It includes DFW, but that's basically all of Oklahoma.

[–] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 10 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Holy shit man, yeah DFW is big but not that fucking big lmao

[–] swab148@lemm.ee 2 points 10 hours ago

DFW is big and getting bigger

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

I am going with regional insurance/medical provider policy on coverage of the diagnosis. If an autism diagnosis gets more covered care, it's diagnosed more. If other diagnosis gets the patient the care that they need, it's another disease that overlaps.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Maybe, or maybe it's environmental, or just statistically insignificant. With no further information on what their "confidence" is in this is basically map gore.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 9 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Without knowing what the definition of hot and cold, it is difficult to make conclusions.

Is there a source paper?

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Prevalence estimates of autism spectrum disorder (ASD) point to geographic and socioeconomic disparities in identification and diagnosis. Estimating national prevalence rates can limit understanding of local disparities, especially in rural areas where disproportionately higher rates of poverty and decreased healthcare access exist. Using a small area estimation approach from the 2016–2018 National Survey of Children’s Health (N = 70,913), we identified geographic differences in ASD prevalence, ranging from 4.38% in the Mid-Atlantic to 2.71% in the West South-Central region. Cluster analyses revealed “hot spots” in parts of the Southeast, East coast, and Northeast. This geographic clustering of prevalence estimates suggests that local or state-level differences in policies, service accessibility, and sociodemographics may play an important role in identification and diagnosis of ASD. County-Level Prevalence Estimates of Autism Spectrum Disorder in Children in the United States.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/370523386_County-Level_Prevalence_Estimates_of_Autism_Spectrum_Disorder_in_Children_in_the_United_States

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

There is a researchgate link in the post body that has more info and a link to the publication. I haven't skimmed through it myself, but I thought I'd link for anyone who's curious.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 2 points 10 hours ago

Ah, thank you. I only saw the image on that link. At the top of the page in a "view paper".

[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 36 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

I strongly suspect the modern "spectrum" is just grouping and labeling certain personality profiles that have always existed in roughly similar proportions. Meaning that it's not the proportion that is increasing, it's that we chose to define certain combinations of human traits as ASD.

On the whole this labeling is probably useful since more people will get the support they need. But the point of delineation is mostly arbitrary.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 34 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Same way there's suddenly more lefthanders or LGBT+ people now that we don't beat it out of them as much anymore.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Now I want to see a line graph of left handedness and LGBTQ over time.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 hours ago

I can draw you one, but it would just come out as a pen smudge 😔

[–] 0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The graph looks something like this: /

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

No, I mean two lines showing the change in each over time, not the correlation between each other.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 5 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Autism is indeed just a label how the medical world identifies us.

Neurodivergent is how we identify ourselves and i believes it fits your observations very well.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurodiversity

This map likely only looks at diagnosis and ignores dyslexic and adhd types.

[–] troed@fedia.io 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Strongly heriditary. When you married within the local village the chance/risk of your spouse also being on the spectrum was lower than when you matchmake through online services and hundreds of dates.

/non-diagnosed GenX with two out of three kids diagnosed so far

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Genotype x Environment = Phenotype.

So is it genetic background or is it your neurodivergent modeling of the behavior to them?

FYI it can't be determined without a much more in-depth genetic studies. This is especially true with complex multi-gene interaction traits like autism seems to be.

[–] troed@fedia.io 2 points 11 hours ago

Wife is a psychologist working in diagnosis of ADHD and autism. I'll go with the knowledge I've gotten from there. Thanks.

How interesting. I've always suspected that I have autism and I sort of grew up in California and recently moved to the south due to circumstances beyond my control. There definitely seems to be a vibe in the bay area that doesn't mesh with me, like idk but people there seem very superficial and "other" compared to me. I lived in the central valley though so I never really became immersed in it but Santa Cruz in particular seems like a very small social club of neurotypicals who make surfing and ketamine overindulgence and being a flaming douchebag their entire personality while making fun of outsiders, which aside from the skating and bi-daily DMT use and making sure you drive a 1998 Subaru to symbolize your tribal membership is pretty textbook neurotypical behavior. On the other hand though, now unfortunately living in one of the red areas of the map in Alabama, I've found that the people here are downright cruel. Nearly every interaction I have here leaves a bad taste in my mouth and makes me want to get back at them in the same passive aggressive way they try to fuck with me. I feel like I'm surrounded by sociopaths here. I guess moral of the story is that the vast majority of humans, autism spectrum or not, are horrible and deserve bad things to happen to them. Unfortunately karma isn't real.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 10 points 16 hours ago

Is this about where a diagnosis happens or where a diagnosed person resides?

There's an area where most the US military, or at least the US Army, sends their servicepeople with disabled children to consolidate access to services and that area is marked 'cold'.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 18 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

The Bay Area is a cold spot?

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 11 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

And is that Seattle in the northwest? Strange.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

Yeah right. That was one of the first things I noticed.

[–] recreationalcatheter@lemm.ee 8 points 16 hours ago

Does United healthcare "cover" ASD screenings in those blue areas?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Georgia and Alabama, huh?

Guess that proves it isn't vaccines.

[–] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

Yeah, I tried to get anything else at all out of this image and I couldn't, but the vaccine thing man - if not getting vaccines had anything to do with it this map would look very different.

[–] Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Can confirm, from east coast, have autism.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 16 points 18 hours ago

Well that settles that.

[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 5 points 18 hours ago

In a world where everyone wants your money and time and a couple of different words can make the difference between a reasonable or bad contract. Attention to detail stonks are going up!

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

San Fran vs LA is pretty fascinating. A whole lot of extra variables should be closer to constant in that particular case.