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    [–] FinalBoy1975@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's like, when you install arch, you just feel like not bothering with installing the gui stuff, because you're so above pointing and clicking on things. If only they'd make a command line version of Metro Exodus. Metro Exodus on the command line would be so much more powerful. It's so lame with graphics. Don't get me started on editing my photos of the kids and fam. Just load that pic up on the command line as raw data. I'll just eliminate the red eye reading the machine code and editing it. GUIs are for weaklings. Just install arch without X or gnome or any of that stuff. Don't even get me started on the KDE wussies. Oh yeah, you want things to look all pretty on your screen to click on. Computers aren't pretty. They take commands. All you need are fingers and a keyboard. You can play tetris on the terminal, you know. No need for graphics. The linux devs just added graphics and a GUI for wussy users. Even invented that penguin thing to make it pretty and dumbed down.

    [–] TheGreenGolem@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

    Arch with gnome? cursed, I say

    [–] Slotos@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago

    Libcaca renderer for Metro Exodus would be… intriguing.

    [–] Peafield@programming.dev 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I've started to feel dirty clicking on icons like some sort of peasant.

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    [–] superkret@feddit.de 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    As an experiment, I set up a laptop with what I call Linu (Linux without X).
    Just wanted to see how much functionality I could get on a CLI/framebuffer-only system.
    I was pretty surprised. It could browse the web (with graphics), manage e-mail, view pdf files, read e-books, listen to music, torrent and watch movies, play some games, multitask...

    It wasn't practical at all, but definitely turned my netbook into a fun toy.

    [–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    You know what, i just drop my personal list of noteworthy shell-tools here (note directfb2 and twin). And edir, clipboard, pass and portal/croc for the win.

    alternatives

    • fd: simpler find
    • bat: nicer cat
    • lsd: ls with NerdFont icons
    • broot: smarter tree

    GUI alternatives

    Task Management:

    • dun: note-taking & task manager
    • cubby: encrypted note taking to cloud, with markdown
    • girok: TUI calendar

    Services:

    File Manager:

    • clifm: nice shell file manager with tagging
    • nnn: cli fm with split-view file preview
    • TUIFI Manager: cli fm with rendered images in 2D layout
    • xplr: hackable, minimal, TUI fm

    Login Manager:

    • CDM: shell login manager with history
    • Qingy: directfb login manager

    Others:

    ease of use

    • edir: rename with text file
    • clipboard: shell clipboard manager & more
    • portal: cli file transfer agent between computers
    • croc: simple file transfer tool via local server, Android Appp too
    • transfer.sh: cli file sharing via cloud
    • detox: file name cleanup
    • ouch: simple de/compressor
    • mnamer: intelligent video renamer
    • gum: bells and whistles for shell scripters
    • pytermgui: bells and whistles for python scripters

    If someone has more/better tools, please shout.

    [–] stepanzak@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Thanks for the list! You links doesn't work because they are all in a code block btw. I also love these tools:

    • zoxide: smart cd
    • atuin: shell history with synchronization and beautiful fuzzy search (but i unbinded it from the up arrow)
    • Tealdeer: fast and good looking tldr pages
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    [–] AlpacaChariot@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Linu

    Brilliant, also works for Wayland systems

    [–] superkret@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I'm pretty sure currently every Wayland system still has X installed, no?

    [–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    It might be installed, but not used. You can't have both running. But there's a compatibility layer. Sometimes.

    [–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I believe XWayland does, in fact, use X. That's the way the compatibility layer works - anything that isn't wayland-native gets ran in an X server, and XWayland then handles the input and display between Wayland and the internal X server.

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    [–] 1984@lemmy.today 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    But it's actually better!

    I know it's easy to think that it's about showing off, but honestly, the Linux graphical tools are much worse than the command line most of the time.

    Installing software is much faster and more reliable using the command line than any graphical tool I've used.

    [–] Neon@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It really depends.

    For formatting drives i.e. i much prefer the GUI.

    [–] backhdlp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago

    Nothing can beat GParted imo

    [–] dx1@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Gparted is nicer for some stuff (have fun resizing a partition without it, for example), but for basics it's hard to go wrong with cfdisk IMO. Or even plain fdisk. Very useful to actually know how to use that if you don't have access to gparted, e.g., system recovery or install, and cfdisk is super easy to use too.

    [–] 1984@lemmy.today 3 points 1 year ago

    Yeah that I agree with.

    [–] jarfil@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    It also has an easy explanation:

    1. Programmer wants to solve a problem, writes some functions, can call them from main()
    2. Programmer is also Sysadmin, can't be bothered compiling stuff for every simple thing, so adds a CLI parser to call the different functions from main()
    3. End user wants a GUI... but Sysadmin already has all they want on the CLI, so maybe someone puts up some GUI when they're bored, or it really, really, really makes sense... or end user is SOL
    [–] ArtificialLink@yall.theatl.social 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What gives me real power is sudo.

    [–] FinalBoy1975@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I totally dare you to install Arch without ever creating another account. Just reboot as root and use the computer as root forever. Despite all the warnings against it.

    [–] ArtificialLink@yall.theatl.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Bro you should have seen how i had lubuntu set up for a plex server on an old laptop. Basically everything had administrator level read and write privileges because I couldn't figure out how to get it to work any other way lol.

    It's the only way to do it. One shouldn't try to learn. Just embrace security threats. Coexist with nature.

    [–] intelati@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

    I hate this

    [–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
    [–] solidgrue@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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    [–] Andrew15_5@mander.xyz 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    As a person who uses terminal almost all the time, this is sort of true. The real power comes with automations.

    [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I dunno. There is something empowering whenever windows-super users find out you (almost) never have to reboot to update.

    (Just for the kernel, then all it is, is a reboot. I like windows where it requires installation while booting- actually.) (Okay, so I just run the command line on startup automatically. You’re right.)

    [–] moist_towelettes@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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    [–] dx1@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    Seems like a lot of Linux/programming memes basically just stem from a place of real noob insecurity. "I can't figure out how to quit vim!" "CLI is scary!" "Arch users say 'I use arch BTW'!" No offense to the noobs, it's just that, you know, people use this stuff for an actual reason. Yeah, vim requires you to be in normal mode and hit :q or even (gasp) :q! to quit sometimes, it's also a hyperflexible editor that lets you program super powerful functions, macros, do dirt-easy regex replacements, etc. Including binding Ctrl-Q to quit if you really struggle with that.

    [–] qjkxbmwvz@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    The nicest aspect, for me, is that I rarely need to do something just once. So while I sometimes prefer a GUI workflow for a simple one-off, if it's something I may end up repeating, then I'd rather have a command-line approach which can be chucked in a shell script, run by cron, or easily invoked over ssh on my phone.

    But for highly interactive things (e.g., reading email), I'll stick to GUI solutions like a pleb.

    [–] FinalBoy1975@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

    Linux is so awesome because of scripting and automation. It's just there, an expected thing it wants the user to do. My favorite thing about automation and scripting is how you can write a script in the terminal and make it part of the GUI experience. Everyone has their own preference about how to edit a file. I've been writing scripts since the 1990s, so I'm just used to doing that in the terminal. The OS has evolved since then so much. So, I write up my script in the terminal, then I turn it into something I can click on and run when I need to, on top of scheduling its execution. I think that's really special and unique about Linux now. Mac OS was like that in the past. It got less so over the years and Apple made it harder for the user to do this. Linux has maintained this type of thing that has always been since UNIX and I really think it is a driving force for the future of computing. It now stands as the only OS that allows the user to customize his or her experience through scripting as a totally functional and integrated aspect of the OS. You don't have to do anything special to get scripting to work. It comes to you this way. You just write your script. You decide how you want to execute your script, which can even include executing it in the GUI if you want. Microsoft Windows never had this and is desperately trying to catch up, but in order to do it on that OS, it's very clunky. Linux right now is the only OS available that allows you to do exactly what you've described. You only have to do it once if you have the know-how. And it's just there. No special things to install or create.

    [–] yojimbo@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    A dirty linux admin here. Imagine you get ssh'd in nginx log folder and all you want to know are all the ips that have been beating againts certain URL in around last let's say last seven days and getting 429 most frequent first. In kittie script its like find -mtime -7 -name "*access*" -exec zgrep $some_damed_url {} \; | grep 429 | awk '{print $3}' | sort | uniq -c | sort -r | less depends on how y'r logs look (and I assume you've been managing them - that's where the zgrep comes from) should be run in tmux and could (should?) be written better 'n all - but my point is - do that for me in gui

    (I'm waiting ⏲)

    [–] immortalgeek@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

    As a general rule, I will have most of my app and system logs sent to a central log aggregation server. Splunk, log entries, even cloudwatch can do this now.

    But you are right, if there is an archaic server that you need to analyse logs from, nothing beats a find/grep/sed

    [–] Hobo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

    In splunk this is a pretty straightforward query and can be piped to stats count and sorted. I don't know if you'd exactly count that as gui though.

    [–] superseven@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Sometimes I think about installing linux just to feel smug about it

    [–] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
    [–] Rbon@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago

    The next level above that is installing a keyboard-driven window manager like i3. That’s where the dopamine really comes from.

    [–] kenoh@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I know it's faster and even easier for many things, but it's with great shame that I would rather mess with network interfaces via GUI than on command line. nmtui is a poor substitute.

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    [–] southbayrideshare@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Finally ditching Apple's "Music" player for MOC after watching Apple dismantle/bury basic features over the last decade.

    [–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    It's not about power but about usability. Most GUI tools are worse software, somewhere. Example: Evolution Mail and Foliate (E-Reader) just stopped working for me, because they somehow get bubblewrap to want to open something in /root/.cache (which fails), which is just silly.

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    [–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    ============================================== Using emacs for everything

    [–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Or vim. Both are fine choices.

    [–] akulium@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Both are fine choices for a text editor. But for everything? Vim doesn't even have a web browser and a psychotherapist built in, smh absolutely unusable

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    [–] stagen@feddit.dk 3 points 1 year ago

    Rings true for Mac users too.

    And windows, to some extent.

    [–] MxM111@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

    Also, the scale is logarithmic.

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