I think the first thing to recognize is that there is absolutely no single measure of intelligence. IQ scores are (a) ~~seriously~~ flawed ~~and discredited~~ (and narrowly focused measure of human abilities). Human intellectual powers have many dimensions. Someone may be weak in speech and articulation but on the other hand be an absolute genius mechanically, artistically, or in some other aspect of human intellectual pursuit.
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Do you have any references for this?
Discredited may be an overstatement on my part, but it is a flawed measure of someone's complete abilities and strengths.
Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient#Validity_as_a_measure_of_intelligence
While IQ tests are generally considered to measure some forms of intelligence, they may fail to serve as an accurate measure of broader definitions of human intelligence inclusive of, for example, creativity and social intelligence. For this reason, psychologist Wayne Weiten argues that their construct validity must be carefully qualified, and not be overstated. According to Weiten, "IQ tests are valid measures of the kind of intelligence necessary to do well in academic work. But if the purpose is to assess intelligence in a broader sense, the validity of IQ tests is questionable." [emphasis mine]
There are other criticisms in that section of the Wikipedia article too.
You can study for an IQ test and raise your grade so it doesn't really measure anything important, just test taking ability, which I suspect is where a lot of other positive correlations between IQ and college admissions/outcomes/etc factor in
Stephen Hawking.
"People who boast about their IQ are losers"
-Stephen Hawking
Well "intelligence" is a pretty vague term. Different people are good at different things. Intelligence isnt like a CPU clock or whatever where you can give it some general score. One person might be really good with language, and another is really good at math, or another is musically gifted, etc. How do you decide who is more "intelligent" between them? When theyre all amazing at different things? I know a guy who can barely put a sentence together, and struggles to understand what im saying sometimes, but he can take a car apart and put it back together again from memory.
Now as for if certain mental disabilities have a co-morbidity of trouble with speech im sure they do tho im no expert. Its very common for 1 condition to have a few other conditions that commonly accompany it. You can look up the specific diagnosis you have and check what the co-morbiditys are online.
Intelligence is hard to define and categorize, there are different aspects of what humans commonly call "intelligence" that vary wildly from individual to individual.
Tho I have a good (not great) IQ, I know I have trouble talking with people when I had some time of isolation. I then stumble often and easily forget very common words for some reason and then have to explain them, which is extremely embarrassing. I had a rough time during depression where I thought I might have Alzheimers or something. It has a lot to do with confidence for me I think. Once I feel confident and had a good flow, I can be a very good talker.
Correlation vs. causation.
A lot of things which impact "intelligence" can also have varying impacts on speech/articulation/communication skills. However it is important to note that the correlation isn't strongly positive or negative (IE savant syndrome).
So while some disorders may have some common correlations with specific speech/articulation patterns they (usually) are not good diagnostic criteria and extremely broad generalizations like the one above are particularly bad.
Do you know the cause for your ID or articulation issues? They can occur together in syndromes or due to a medical/anoxic event near birth.
ETA- I would be a little surprised by your ID label, but if you have it you may as well use it for any services that may be available. Are you in the US?
"Do you know the cause for your ID or articulation issues?"
Well, I have both ADHD and dyslexia and I think my mom drank when she was pregnant with me which may have helped. Idk what coursed by articulation issues tho.
"Are you in the US?"
Yes, I am
ADHD and dyslexia and speech issues - All of those can be serious struggles and require help from professionals to learn to manage/compensate.
For the ID, a doctor or a diagnostician did IQ testing and got a score below 70? If that's the case, your city/ state/county may have an MHMR department that might be able to offer you services - help with therapies or job skills or accessing any funding that might be available.
"For the ID, a doctor or a diagnostician did IQ testing and got a score below 70?"
When I was 14 I was diagnosed by a counsellor with a IQ of 73. As of 2021 my IQ is 76. Do those benefits still apply?
See if your county has an MHMR office. If they ask, instead of giving those numbers, just tell them you were diagnosed with an intellectual disability. They may offer to put you on a waiting list that sounds ridiculous - like 12 years or something. Do, it! People move out of the county and drop off the list all the time. They may question your ID diagnosis because you seem very on top of things and you're a good communicator. This is an situation where the speech issue may work in your favor. I know that sounds horrible, but sometimes you have to play the system.
Did you receive special ed services in school? If you did, they may have had a transition specialist who gave you paperwork to find services after graduation. I don't know the details, I just hear it talked about in meetings. If you want to attend a community college or training program, there may be services available there too.
"Did you receive special ed services in school?"
Nope, they tried but my dad refused. They also tried giving me speech therapy but my dad also refused that.
Very good advice tho.
I think the study of Ludwig Wittgenstein is all about language being at the center of intelligence, no? I think it even argues that there is no real intelligence without language.
Ironically, Wittgenstein's Philosophical Investigations touches on how thinkers often confuse themselves by slightly shifting the meanings of others' words (like a game of telephone!) -- and, you may have done that here, since he's never framed language in the way you mentioned ( ๊ฉ . ๊ฉ ;)โญ.
Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence by means of language. r/philosophy discussion
Furthermore, in Tractatus (though he kind of discredited this book later in life), Wittgenstein argues
What can be shown cannot be said
as a weakness of propositional language (vs. e.g. pictorial language) -- then, this is yet further against "language being at the center in intelligence". (Stanford Plato discussion)
Maybe you're confusing him with someone else? :D