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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 98 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

This feels like such a fuck you to working class. People can’t afford another layer of these costs right now.

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[–] dmtalon@infosec.pub 64 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

My dad's bringing his PC to my house when they visit for Christmas so we can setup Linux as a dual boot for him to see if he can switch from Windows 10 to Linux instead of buying a new PC

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 54 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

My dad (in his mid 80s) told me proudly that he had just bought Linux and installed it on his computer. It's great that he wanted to try Linux but I wonder what malware-riddled scam distro he found, and how I'll sort it out on my next visit.

[–] 3laws@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Can't be that bad. Some distros accept donations. It just could be that he felt he was making a purchase rather than just a donation.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hopefully it's just something like this, not a scam.

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[–] superkret@feddit.org 11 points 2 weeks ago

Not sure if it was Mint or Ubuntu, but one of them shows a donation box with a default amount when you click download. It's already downloading when the box shows up, but maybe he misinterpreted that.

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 10 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe elementaryOS? There is a Purchase button on the site, with a pay-what-you-want option. If possible to enter 0 though.

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[–] Lippy@fedia.io 49 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's fine, I've closed the door on supporting Microsoft. They could have just charged for the 'upgrade' and that would have been better since it wouldn't result in the colossal amount of e-waste that this is creating. Even without the forced obsolescence, their products have become hostile, invasive and generally just a PITA to use. Meanwhile Linux distros are knocking it out of the park lately.

I really don't know what Microsoft are thinking. They haven't made particularly good strides towards gaining any kind of goodwill, so once it becomes common knowledge that alternatives not only exist but actually show them up, those lost customers are people that they will never get back. Look how pathetic their marketshare is for Edge for example, even though it's the default browser on Windows. They still haven't been able to shake off the bad stigma that Internet Explorer had (and to be fair, they aren't doing people any favours with Edge either).

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

The new Outlook is fucking awful.

How did they fuck up email? Just put them all on the left and let me read and move them in the fewest clicks possible.

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[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Thank you Microsoft god bless I will stay on core 2 duo forever 🙏🙏

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 37 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It would be safer to use a Linux flavor and run the apps you need using Wine/Proton..

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)
[–] msage@programming.dev 18 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

It has KDE, which I believe has something close to it.

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[–] Alk@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The important questions. I miss aero so much.

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[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I bet it'll still try to install itself on that hardware though and break it.

[–] CaptKoala@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago

Probably how they'll force upgrade down the track, upgrade or we brick your shit.

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[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world 39 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Linux adoption intensifies

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[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago

Non negotiable sounds fine with me. Because we don’t negotiate with terrorists.

I’d like to give a heartfelt thank you to Microsoft management though, for furthering the cause of Linux adoption. We couldn’t have done it without you. 🙏

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The used market is going to bomb if older machines can't be setup with newer windows version.

[–] chellomere@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

All the better for us running Linux!

[–] Damage@feddit.it 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think I can see 3 "new" laptops in my future!

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[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

'incompatible' hardware will be dirt cheap, and 8th gen or newer will sell for more than it would have otherwise--especially if tariffs jack prices up on new hardware.

i have a couple dozen older systems here. most were given to me before win11's requirements were known. fixing and flipping them for a few bucks was a small but relatively steady income stream, but not anymore. hardly anyone wants them.

the couple that are new enough to be blessed by microsoft will be kept, and i'll hang on to the better ones of the rest (like skylake, kaby lake) to put linux on. everything else will end up at ewaste recyclers even though there's absolutely nothing wrong with any of them other than the fact that a profit and 'shareholder value' driven megacorp says they can't be used anymore.

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'll see you all on SteamOS in six months

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 12 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Love Linux and steam deck, but AS IS, steam os is a horrible choice for a desktop general use computer.

It's immutable without layering, so there are things that you can't install/keep after an update. Case and point, printers. You can't print, period. Valve knows, they don't need a gaming device to print so they don't care.

Hopefully they will do something about this, but I don't hold my breath for 2025

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They don't need the hardware to run an OS. They need the hardware to run their AI shit for reasons nobody ever needs - except Microsoft.

So maybe it is not Microsoft closing the door for older hardware, but older hardware closing the door for Windows 11?

[–] tal@lemmy.today 21 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

They need the hardware to run their AI shit

The requirement is for TPM, not parallel processing hardware. It provides trusted hardware, facilitates things like DRM.

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[–] red@sopuli.xyz 15 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Fyi you can install it without TPM 2 hardware, if using Rufus to create the installer, you can just tick an option to remove tpm forcing.

That's if you want to keep using Windows after 2025 on a 7+ year old hardware.

Not endorsing it, just saying you can, at no extra cost.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 weeks ago

if you want to risk random update potentially bricking your computer or at least your os breaking, not worth it

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[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Thank you Microsoft after being a windows user since the 3.1 days your recent changes to Windows makes me happy to announce I bought my first MAC.

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 17 points 2 weeks ago

So close. You could have gone to Linux.

[–] nixcamic@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Why do people capitalize all of Mac?

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 10 points 2 weeks ago

They bought a Mass Accelerator Cannon from the UNSC

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Its a Media access control address, AKA MAC address that he bought ofc. It lives inside his ethernet card.

I'm up too early, sorry.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Because they don't know that MAC is media access control, and Mac is Macintosh.

I suspect it's the "Mac vs PC" stereotype, and they think C stands for computer and MA stands hell knows for what. Because a PowerPC PC is not a PC, and an ARM PC is not a PC, and a SPARC PC is not a PC (OK, it's a workstation, of the noble blood, not like the rest), and I think I've lost my thought.

My reaction would not be switching to MacOS, because for something the users of which look down on Linux and FreeBSD, with all that "just works" and "made for Terrans" pathos, it surely is frustrating to use.

Just some well-supported enough Linux would do.

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[–] a9249@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (12 children)

I know everyone here foams over Linux, and for good reason... but please remember the average user is a techno-fobe who struggles to find the start menu. Linux just isn't an option for a lot of people. Windows has been around so long and feels familiar. Until there is a major demographic shift and ECE training on general computer use an basic troubleshooting... the majority of the population will stick with whatever arrives when they turn it on because "It's what they know".

If Linux is to take over it must come PRE-installed, Must be fully compatible (read: plug-n-play); even with the weird printer your aunt found in a garage sale, at-least feel familiar to the majority of users.... and for corpos... run MS office (read: excel) natively.

[–] kshade@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

even with the weird printer your aunt found in a garage sale

Windows isn't supporting that anymore either.

at-least feel familiar to the majority of users

Start menu is at the bottom left of the task bar, you can start Chrome from there.

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[–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 12 points 2 weeks ago

Another shitty decision from Redmond.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Yay!

blessing in disguise. at least you can build a system so poorly that 10 won't be forcefully upgraded on you.

[–] twisterpop3@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Why have we stopped talking about how the $15 ~~TPU~~ TPM can make upgrading older systems possible? Does that not work anymore?

[–] 2pt_perversion@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I think they also prevent most CPU released before 2017ish from installing as well so computers just missing the proper TPM are few and far between anyway. You can still get around all the requirements pretty easily though.

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