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Depending on how the next four years go I'm on the fence between Bush Jr. and Trump but I'd like to hear from you

Edit:

Top 10 suggestions so far (unordered):

  • Andrew Jackson
  • Andrew Johnson
  • George W. Bush Jr
  • Ronald Reagan
  • Richard Nixon
  • James K. Polk
  • Woodrow Wilson
  • James Buchanan
  • Franklin Pierce
  • Donald J. Trump
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[โ€“] BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

andrew jackson (or johnson can never remember which) for the trail of tears. absolutely awful

Jackson was trail of tears, Johnson was the one who killed reconstruction. Both very bad.

[โ€“] OmnipotentEntity@beehaw.org 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Andrew Jackson was Trail of Tears, but I actually think Andrew Johnson was arguably worse. He was Lincoln's Democrat vice president (he was brought on to help "balance the ticket" instead of sticking with his strongly abolitionist first term VP Hannibal Hamlin), who started dismantling reconstruction and giving the power back to the former slaveowners.

You can pretty much lay Jim Crow at his feet.

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[โ€“] Today@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I would hire nucular George every day for the next 4 years to get rid of the orange dipshit.

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[โ€“] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Wasn't it Nixon who sold the americans out? Or Truman?

[โ€“] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

lol trump is bad but not like Andrew Jackaon bad.

Probably

  1. Andrew Jackson - Crimes against native people
  2. Andrew Johnson - Fucked up reconstruction
  3. Ronald Reagan - Trickle down economics
  4. 45/47 ๐Ÿคฎ - We all know why...
  5. Richard Nixon - The Infamous Crook

Might have some memory gaps, but these are what I can remember from the top of my head.

[โ€“] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 28 points 3 days ago (5 children)

If you think Trump is worse than no-oil you're telling everybody that you think norms are more important than a million dead brown people

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[โ€“] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 20 points 2 days ago

Reagan definitely deserves a top 5 spot.

I dunno, Nixon's fuckery is downright provincial these days.

[โ€“] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Don't forget that the SCOTUS appointed by 47 ended the American experiment since Presidents are now effectively kings. Thanks to Presidential immunity, we no longer get to say nobody is above the law.

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[โ€“] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How is it even close between Dubya and Trump like honestly Bush started the war on terror, killing and displacing millions.

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[โ€“] shreddingitlater@hexbear.net 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think I have Trump derangement syndrome but for Bush Jr. instead cause very few people make my blood boil just by seeing their face like that scum.

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[โ€“] xiao@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 days ago

This question is too difficult, there are too many candidates...

[โ€“] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Plenty of choice. In my view, most presidents were rambling reeking right wingers in some way or other, save for FDR and Teddy Roosevelt, who were the two presidents I'd actually call capable and outspoken on civil rights (rather than just pragmatical like Lincoln). They did have their blemishes, but less than e.g. Andrew Jackson.

So many presidents were terrible for one people or another.

Andrew Jackson? Held hundreds of slaves and quite literally led an ethnic expulsion against Native Americans (the Trail of Tears).

Lincoln? Mostly good, but did not forbid slavery in the form of penal labour. If one were to abolish slavery, why not go the full mile?

Wilson? Rabid antisemite, pretty much.

Hoover? Might've tried to tackle the Great Depression -- but did so by allying with large coorporations, effectively being corrupt and choosing bribery.

Truman? Dropped nukes and set the stage for "we support any government that hates people being remotely leftist".

Nixon - corrupt and wanted to sidestep the rule of law, all for his own profit: to stay in power. Other than thaf, decent, but that's a big "other than that".

Reagan - enough said. Ultracapitalist, misleading, made the US economy far worse by accruing debt like there's no tomorrow, and shoving it onto the poor -- typical oligarch behaviour! Militaristic, power-hungry. And no, he did not end the Cold War: Gorbachov did.

JFK: socially pretty good, actually. But economically, the cutting of the top rates made the richest keep more money. At least it wasn't down below 50%, but still. Had that happened, I think the tax rates would've allowed wealth accumulation.

And so on.

So, in my view, it's hard to focus on who is the worse, and better to rather focus on what is the best. Ted would be my candidate. Not only social progress, but also economical, and in a way that favour the worker -- and he also was environmentally aware. That is a good president.

[โ€“] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

FDR and Teddy Roosevelt, who were the two presidents I'd actually call capable and outspoken on civil rights (rather than just pragmatical like Lincoln). They did have their blemishes

Blemishes? FDR seized the property of 200,000 Americans and threw them into concentration camps because of their race. The guy's bottom 10 if not bottom 5. He's easily the worst Democrat of the last 100 years.

[โ€“] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

me if enough of you write in "EstraDoll" in 2028

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[โ€“] Revan343@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago

It's Reagan or Nixon, no contest. Bush pales in comparison

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