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May I be frank? I suspect that, in the long run, Mozilla not getting this money will actually benefit Firefox. Sure, so exec will get pissed as they won't get 5.6 million dollars a year, and Firefox won't get some weird nobody-asked-for feature that'll be ditched some time later; but I think that they'll focus better on the browser this way. Specially because whoever is paying the dinner is the one picking the dish, and with a higher proportion of their effective income coming from donations, what users want will stop being so neglected.
Just my two cents.
WTF‽
"The head of Mozilla earned roughly $5.6 Million during 2021."
Excuse me, where do I fill out the form to have the first $30,696 of my salary processed as non taxable benefit? Please and thank you
I totally agree.
Frankly, Mozilla should be embarrassed to have released this statement.
It's basically 'Please don't harm our competitor for corruptly bribing rivals! We like those bribes very much!'
Firefox won’t get some weird nobody-asked-for feature that’ll be ditched some time later
Nah, the features nobody asked for will just be limited to ones that will provide a revenue stream.
However once they lose the googlebux, a meaningful part of the revenue stream will be donations. And features implemented because of donators asking for them are, typically, things that we users desire.
Donations are not sustainable. Many open-source projects tried them, and the only thing they can cover are server costs or conferences, developers are still working for free on their own time.
Yeah but in the short term the company will literally go out of business
Not likely. Mozilla had $1,321,539,000 in total assets -- roughly half a billion dollars of which was in "cash and cash equivalents" -- in their last (2022) audited financial statement: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-2022-fs-final-0908.pdf
Y'know, you're right & that's wild. I guess I should have known, but didn't assume that they have like 600m in unrelated investments. Though the burn rate is quite a lot too, so they probably would scale back browser dev a lot if it lost its profitability & become a pure VC kinda org
I care about Firefox and Thunderbird, not Mozilla. The software is open source and will persist.
The way Mozilla can advocate for web standards will be sorely missed.
To my knowledge they don't though, Chrome has had the overall market share for years. Most of the time them is a little project is tailing behind Chrome, because anything that they add to Chrome if the other browsers didn't follow suit they were left in the dust. I haven't seen the Mozilla project as a Trailblazer in years
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what Mozilla is really afraid of is losing the over inflated bonus the execs get paid.
Mozilla needs to ditch their CEO and maybe even their board. They’ve lost their way all because the leadership is greedy
That’s mistaking a structural problem for a personal one. Zeynep Tufekci has a great argument about why that wouldn’t work:
It’s reasonable, for example, for a corporation to ponder who would be the best CEO or COO, but it’s not reasonable for us to expect that we could take any one of those actors and replace them with another person and get dramatically different results without changing the structures, incentives and forces that shape how they and their companies act in this world.
That's unfortunate, but it still needs to happen. Mozilla will adapt.
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"Listen, making the entire market dependent on one corporate benefactor just sothey aren't a 100% monopoly and only a 99% one is important"
Jesus Christ Mozilla, do you hear yourself?
Remember, Mozilla spends more on executives and their “outreach” programs than they spend on Firefox developers.
I understand why Mozilla would want to keep the money coming from Google, but it might also be good for them to be less dependent from Google.
Nothing is preventing them from cutting deals with other search engines if they want to keep doing that.
I feel like Mozilla is a big money laundering scheme at this point. It only exist so chrome isn't a monopoly, and I pretty sure the CEO and several other workers are getting paid an obscene amount to do nothing all day while only 20% of the money actually goes toward working on the browser.
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tldr: but muh paycheck!
Yeah, I don't care. Just do it.
Oh my fucking god Servo cannot get here soon enough.
There are other search engines. Maybe Firefox can partner with them.
I'm guessing that once Google is prohibited from providing incentives, the bottom will fall out of that particular market and those other search engines will likely pay less, if anything, for the privilege.
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It's certainly better than the status quo. Sure, Mozilla will hurt at first because they've put their revenue source in the same basket, but it's an opportunity to grow back.
You've just given a great summary of the history of breaking monopolies, really. History says you are correct. For example, AT&T is still kicking.
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Maybe force them to give it to Mozilla since they are the primary ones that are hurting from googlopoly?
How will Mozilla fund development? Firefox only survives because Google pays them.
I guess they could start saving money by not paying their CEO millions/year.
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