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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 13 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
  1. People fear new unknown things (as perceived by the individual), especially when it comes to bodies and human form, instinctively.

  2. It doesn't conform to their strict societal standards as crafted by thousands of years of culture and history. The authorities have always persecuted and cracked down on anything that threatens the patriarchal standard.

  3. Minorities make the easiest targets. Trans people are an extreme minority.

  4. Some people think it has more to do with sexuality and sexual urges, so their perception is that it is perversion.

[–] UnculturedSwine@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Projection is also a common way for people to deflect blame for societal ills. Religious zealots will ignore and even shield sexual abusers present in their own institutions and divert that animosity to outside groups that make convenient targets. They are ok with the abusers within their walls because they are seeking absolution through religious systems. They are not ok with queer people because they need to scapegoat a group to explain why things don't seem to be getting better.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago

In a less direct way one standing theory is that it’s tied to cultural issues with gender relations and due to the lack of a cultural role for us (at least in cultures where that applies or where those roles were damaged during colonialism, which was very common). Then there’s also the oversexualization of trans people.

For the first one Julia Serrano does a good job going into a lot of detail for a big chunk of it, but the quick summary is that there’s two axes of sexism: traditional (one sex and that which is associated is better than the other, traditionally prioritizing the masculine over the feminine) and oppositional (that that which is associated is deeply connected and immutable). All sorts of people run up against oppositional sexism, from cis gay people to dudes who like to sew. But it’s likely necessary to reinforce traditional sexism.

Then there’s the lack of cultural space. It’s being built, but it isn’t done yet and until it’s been uncontroversial for some time it’ll be at risk. It’s the issues of “I don’t know how to treat them” and “it’s against god”. It’s people angry that their understanding of one of the most vital parts of their culture is being called to make space for something that’s new to them

Then there’s the oversexualization. Trans people all throughout the world have a long history of resorting to sex work to survive. That means that to many people our existence is seen as inherently sexual. I grew up where trans people only appeared on tv as tragic sex workers, jokes of erotic disgust, or Springer style freak shows, and the next closest depictions were as murderous erotic crossdressers (which many saw as the same thing). And so now here I am, one of them, demanding you treat me as an educated professional and a peer and a decent chunk of bigots will see my face as inherently pornographic and therefore unfit to display around children. They hear about teenagers wanting to transition and think of it as sexualizing them. And for a certain portion of people they’re mad that a porn category and type of exotic hooker is demanding rights

There’s more, and I didn’t say it all the best I could (typed it out off and on over a while between doing things as well as it being something I mostly break down in discussions with other trans people). But yeah, we’re different and we challenge basic understandings of some of the foundations of society and culture, but our liberation helps break down the issues you’re already facing and a lot of the time the requests we’re making make life easier for cis people once y’all get used to us being around.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Because hateful people always need an other. an outsider. Someone be fearful of, yet feel smugly superior too

It used to be black people.

then it was the irish and the itallians.

then it was hispanics.

then it was gays

and now its trans people.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 32 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Conservatives come in two types. The rich ones who want more and more money. And the poor ones who also want more money but are unable to obtain it because the rich hoard money.

The rich conservatives need to stop the poor conservatives from realizing the rich are why the poor can’t get money. So they make up vulnerable groups to blame for the poor’s problem, and the poor are generally too poorly educated to catch on to this game.

Different groups have been the scapegoat. Women, blacks, the italians, the irish, asians, gays, and now it’s transgender people.

The good news is transgender people WILL get full rights in about 20-30 years if you look at historical cycles. The bad news is it will be a fight and many will die before they get treated as human beings by these asshole conservatives.

[–] unconsciousvoidling@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I think earth’s current environment is going to collapse in 20-30 years.

[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 3 points 5 hours ago

True egalitarianism

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 26 points 6 hours ago

They are just propagandized. In general, it's so much like racists - they may know trans people and just think they are the exceptions, like them as individuals and still think they hate them as a group. They are intentionally riled up by being forced fed edge cases and disinformation.

Trans people are just people. They aren't angels who are never criminals and they aren't degenerates who are always criminal, they are a diverse group like all of us are. But you can bet your ass that whenever a trans person does something criminal it will be blown up so big in conservative media and used to paint them all as criminals. It's just the right wing media machine.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 27 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

How to say it delicately.. Many conservative/religious men really, truly want to just impale their throats on lady dick, but they are indoctrinated from birth to believe that a zombie from space (who they agree watches them shower and have sex) will be mad at them if they do what makes them happy. So to distract themselves from that always burning urge to ravenously aspirate dong nog, they performatively hate things as a hobby to pass the time until they die - profoundly alone and completely unhappy (see Lindsey Graham)

And then the conservative women are taught that they are stupid, useless furniture pieces there to look pretty and parrot - not capable of an opinion outside of the one provided by their husband or father.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

🤣🤣

This is so on the nose, I love it.

As a male who quite enjoys having said orface impaled by (lady) dick. These folks need to start enjoying life instead of hating it and dragging everyone else down with them.

Ravenously asperate dong nog

Brother, your killing me here, this is epic.

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[–] Mango@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I'm pretty sure they just think it's icky.

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 hours ago (3 children)
[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Remember how the police/Alex Jones kept making big talk about a “manifesto” which never manifested?

[–] heraplem@leminal.space 4 points 5 hours ago

Even trans people aren't beating the "nearly all mass shooters are men" statistic.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 3 points 5 hours ago

He must have been bullied terribly.

The interesting thing about the furor over trans people existing is that 90% of any harm, real or imagined, stems from mistreatment of people. Conservatives treat trans people badly (supposedly) due to mental issues that are caused by the way conservatives treat trans people.

[–] NeoToasty@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

There are plenty of atheist transphobes.

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

They exist, but let's not act like religion isn't playing a huge role in the perpetuation of trans hate. If a person says that they dislike trans people, 9/10 times they are going to be religious. A lot of other cases will stem from a person coming from a religious family, or culture, if they aren't religious themselves.

It's not a requirement to hate gay and trans people to be an atheist, but it is a requirement to at least act like you do to be a member of many different religious denominations.

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I would say that religious institutions allow the congregation of people and thus a congregation of thought into similar things as one another, not that religion as a whole is transphobic or something. Ain't no need to use the same kinda bigotry you hate to justify saying something so wildly vague as to be useless. Use some more nuanced and complex thoughts please.

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

I can point to multiple denominations of religious people that literally say that being gay or trans is forbidden, yet I can not find one Atheistic group that does the same. To act like religion doesn't do it's part in perpetuating this kind of hate is foolish.

I'm not saying all religion is bad or worthless or anything, just that it definitely contributes to this problem. I'm also not saying that all religions are the same, its mostly just the Abrahamic ones that seem to perpetuate the hate more than others.

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Which is a lot more nuanced than the OP reply of "religion".

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[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 8 points 7 hours ago

They have to have somebody to hate so they don't hate themselves so much.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Fascists are cowards who attack the most vulnerable people as a standard tactic.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

And after they exterminate one group, they move onto another

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

They came for the trans ~~and I did nothing, because I am not trans ~~ and I fought back where I could. Because fuck that shit, we know there this dance will end otherwise!

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You all are overthinking it way too much.

Most people hate anything that's different or uncommon to themselves and their "world".

Simple as that.

It's heterophobia in the semantic sense of the word "fear of anything that's different".

[–] __Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

I always thought that xenos was more refering to people from outside, like physically from a different place.

But I really know nothing about words, greek, latin or whatever. So it will probably be a better choice of words.

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 12 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Sorted by controversial, wish me luck boys!

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[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 32 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Far simpler than whateveryone else is saying. The best way to rally humans to your side is to give them a common enemy. So conservative politicians picked enemies that are small in number and told everyone how they are to blame for all that is wrong in the world.

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[–] wipeout69@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Because there are only 2 possibilities:

  1. Trans people are real and the Bible is a book filled to the brim with bullshit

or

  1. Trans people are not real but merely EVIL men and women possessed by Satan because god created Adam and Eve, not they and them

They are in fact mutually exclusive. So what do you think the moron cult members will choose, the option that requires deprogramming... or the option that aligns with their stupid bullshit cult beliefs?

[–] klemptor@startrek.website 79 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

For a simple example: my mother is Catholic and until Trump came along, a lifelong single-issue Republican voter who always said she would be a Democrat if it weren't for abortion. She attends church in an extremely progressive, famously LGBTQ-friendly town.

There's a transwoman who attends her church (let's call her Rita). This lady is probably in her mid-50s to mid-60s and has been a fixture at the church for at least 5 years. My mom has been in choir and bible study groups with her for years now. She still just can't see Rita as a woman. Treats her politely but behind her back refuses to call her "she" and says she's a "man in a dress".

She's really offended that Rita uses the ladies' room. I've asked her why and she can't articulate it, she just feels like it's an invasion of her privacy, because men don't belong in the ladies' room. And when I point out that Rita isn't a man, she just rolls her eyes. I've asked her if she's worried that Rita is in there for predatory purposes and she admits that she doesn't think Rita intends any harm. I've asked her how she'd feel if she were forced to use the men's room and she says "but that's different!"

My mom prides herself in being a moral person, and still can't manage to get past her bigotry to see Rita as a woman. There are just too many mental blockades against it. But since she thinks she's so highly moral, she thinks she must be correct in this situation. It excuses her from finding empathy and bettering her attitude toward trans folks.

My longwinded point is that when people who consider themselves highly moral are bigoted, there's almost zero chance of getting through to them. And I think a lot of the people who are bigoted against trans folks feel that morality is on their side and being trans is morally deviant, so they think they're justified in their prejudice.

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[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think it's most people. I (choose to) believe that's a loud minority.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 6 points 7 hours ago

Most of the culture wars bullshit is originating from a tiny but disproportionately noisy number of people.

But then, because their claims are so outrageous, the media picks up onbit and runs with it, without bothering to be proportional to the number of people causing the problem in the format place.

[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

conservative ideology is built around hate, and thus attracts hateful people, or indoctrinates people susceptible to to such ideology. There must always be some outside group to blame every problem on, and to feel superior to without having to actually be better. Conservatives have enough hate to go around that they're not focused exclusively on trans people, but this flavor of hate is the new hotness for them.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

In my experience and speaking with transphobes I think it’s caused by our current culture of trying to force people to accept them.

Most people in my experience are happy not knowing or ignoring signs that someone is trans or gay. However when you start bringing it up in casual conversation or being overtly flamboyant for lack of a better term people start giving push back on it. I would compare it to the vegan stereotype. No one cares you’re vegan but when you constantly bring it up or try to make every conversation about you being vegan people get annoyed.

We as a society need to accept that racists and transphobes won’t change. You can’t force them to accept anything.

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