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The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, former defense minister Yoav Gallant, and Hamas officials, accusing them of war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza and during the October 2023 attacks.

The court alleges actions like depriving Gaza civilians of essential resources.

Israel and the U.S., non-members of the ICC, reject the warrants, with Netanyahu calling them antisemitic.

Hamas also criticized the decision.

The practical enforcement of these warrants remains uncertain, as the ICC lacks authority to compel arrests.

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[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 172 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders have condemned ICC Chief Prosecutor Karim Khan’s request for warrants as disgraceful and antisemitic.

Antisemitism does manifest itself in both casual and systematic forms. The region-specific component is also important.

However, claims regarding antisemitism from the Israeli government are increasingly becoming a "reverse confirmation" of sorts. One could almost argue that if they call something antisemitic, chances are it's actually not and may even be the correct course of action (clear cut cases notwithstanding).

[–] AliSaket@mander.xyz 64 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Decrying the persecution of crimes against humanity as antisemitic is quite something. It begs the question then, what these people see inherently Semitic about perpetrating these crimes.

The blatant misuse of this term is actually very harmful to Jews around the world, since calls of those actually suffering from anti-Jewish sentiment are not taken seriously anymore.

[–] Kcap@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

"Chef overcooked my burger. Antisemite." -Uncle Leo -Jerry Seinfeld

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 74 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As a Jew, I'm becoming desensitized to the word "antisemitic." Even my Israeli cousins overuse the word and can't explain to me how this kind of shit is antisemitism beyond "Hamas wants to kill us."

[–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (3 children)

the Palestinians did not get to choose the ethnicity of their oppressors.

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[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 61 points 1 day ago

"You can't cry wolf and BE the wolves. Do you not understand what the villagers do to wolves?"

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 day ago

https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism

That's the definition they use, so anything you say against the State they see as being against the ethnicity, which doesn't make sense.

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 33 points 1 day ago

It's the local variant of fake news.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders have condemned request for warrants as disgraceful and antisemitic.

I wasn't aware he was a stand up comedian. I mean, I always knew he was a clown.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

TLDR: it’s not antisemitic, it’s just anti-Bibi.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago

It's like how if some random dipshit harms someone else they go "Oh, so it's okay to hate men? I'm a man so I'm the bad guy?"

When no, you're the one who assalted someone. What you are doesn't define actions.

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[–] Kaput@lemmy.world -1 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

One thing, why are the Hamas officials never named, and we never get their reaction? I'd really like I to be able to despise both side of that shit medal evenly.

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[–] Draghetta@lemmy.world 73 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They’ve been preparing for this for a while. Months ago already I remember reading accusations of the ICC being antisemitic by Israelis and various sympathisers. The old fiddle that never stops playing.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 60 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Those warrants aren't worth the paper they're printed on, but it's still nice to see official bodies outside the US calling Netanyahu what he is.

[–] RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Not exactly. The ratifying countries are bound by contract to arrest them. Plus It's a serious issue not to do it, because this would delegitimize the ICC as an institution, which is not in the interest of most ratifying countries. So it essentially boils down to a choice between losing the court as a valuable weapon against war criminals or bad relations with Israel.

What happens after an arrest is another matter and I think that is where the real pressure would happen

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[–] the_wise_wolf@feddit.org 44 points 1 day ago

Those warrants are worth a lot. Not enough to put them behind bars, but still a lot!

[–] BMTea@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

These warrants absolutely matter in terms of being a trumo card in several legal issues relating to EU-Israel relations.

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[–] NastyNative@mander.xyz 38 points 1 day ago (7 children)

This is the correct call! A majority of Palestinians and Israeli do not want war. It’s a few bad apples on both sides and they should all be jailed.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 1 day ago (10 children)

As someone living in Israel, that's a nice thought but a fundamental misunderstanding of Israeli politics. The vast majority of Israelis not only support war but support a complete and total genocide of every Muslim in the middle east. Furthermore a very large amount of Israelis see the hostages as an acceptable loss if it means they can kill more Palestinian civilians. Its not "a few bad apples", Israel is a fundamentally rotten "nation" that only exists on genocide and war.

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I've heard that it's quite jarring to be living in Israel as someone who's progressive. Like, it's not just about state suppression of protests, but the levels of social condemnation that you get when the media landscape is so heavily skewed

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[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 35 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Genocide takes a lot more than a few bad apples making a whoopsie.

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[–] Saleh@feddit.org 40 points 1 day ago

Israelis are largely in favor of it. Netanyahus approval has skyrocketed, when they launched the offensive on Lebanon and Israelis opposing the wars and occupation are increasingly targeted by the government and government affiliated "settler" terror groups. These terror groups have ramped up their pogroms in East Jerusalem and the West Bank and decent Israelis who get in their way are beaten while the IDF watches.

[–] small44@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Not such a thing as bad apple in an occupied population

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[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Finally! Now arrest the fuckers.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

He first needs to come out of Israel to visit a country that recognizes the ICC...

[–] Eril@feddit.org 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

And then the country still needs to actually arrest him. Am I right, Mongolia?

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Mongolia is landlocked between Putin's country and China. Not arresting him was the same as a cop deciding that maybe they shouldn't arrest a mafia don on their own, while surrounded by the gang.

This is a tad bit different.

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[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

I doubt any country will have the stones to arrest him in the face of US pressure.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

There is number of countries already said they would.

"The Netherlands, Switzerland, Ireland, Italy, and Spain all said they would meet their commitments and obligations regarding the Rome Statute and International Law."

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago (2 children)

At least with America going full mask off as a force of evil, the rest of the world can stop waiting on us to do the right thing.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago

I think the mask truly went off in 2003. Dubya was an international terrorist in the highest office of the world.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Seriously if anything good can come from this the U.S. needs to stop fucking around with other countries sovereignty and handle it's own affairs for a few decades.

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