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Baby red panda dies due to 'stress caused by fireworks,' renewing calls to ban their public sale (abcnews.go.com)

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A baby red panda named Roxie at the Royal Zoological Society of Scotland died from “stress caused by fireworks” after choking on her vomit, just days after her mother’s sudden death.

The incident, occurring around the U.K.’s Bonfire Night celebrations, has led to renewed calls for stricter fireworks regulations.

A petition with over a million signatures urging restrictions on public fireworks sales was submitted to the U.K. government.

Edinburgh recently implemented limited fireworks control zones, but animal welfare advocates argue for broader measures to prevent similar tragedies.

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[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 33 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This is just sensational reporting. From the comments, it looks like it is working. Usesome of the critical thinking we ask trump supporters to use. Medical science isn't at the point that it can know which source of stress caused a thing. And in this case the baby had also lost it's mother, a source of comfort. And read the whole article. "We know that fireworks can cause stress to other animals in the zoo and we cannot rule out that they may have contributed to the untimely death of Roxie's mother Ginger, just five days' earlier."

They don't even know what killed the mother.

I am sure the fireworks were a contributing factor, but sounds like the baby was already in a weakened state.

We collectively need to get over this concept that media is accurately representing the truth with intent to inform. Media is a business. It's intent is to make money. And with lot's of competitors, it can only survive by making the stories it reports more sensational than they are (cause their competitors are doing it) to get the clicks. Some are better than others, but they all have to do it to survive.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You're correct that people should apply critical thought, and using a cute baby animal for this message is manipulative and people should be aware of that, but it doesn't make the message any less important. There are many reasons to ban them. They look somewhat pretty, but you can go to a show done by professionals that'll be more impressive.

Fireworks not only cause stress for animals, but also humans. (A pet peeve of mine is memorial day/Veterans day fireworks shows. In what world is throwing explosives around good for former soldiers?) They are a not insignificant cause of fires. They're just generally harmful and do very little good. We don't need them.

If spreading a manipulative article works to change people's minds towards something better, it's probably worth it. You can be sure other people are doing it against good.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world -2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hello JD Vance. If you need deception to change people's minds, maybe it's you who is wrong.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Nope. If you just lay down and let the bad guys win because you refuse to fight, that isn't the moral option. Be honest and use reason where it's valuable, but don't refuse to use emotions when that's useful too. People with bad intention will be using it and refusing to play the game is only empowering them.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Anger is a much more useful emotion than sadness.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago

I believe compassion to be more constructive, but fear and anger are definitely more motivating. All emotions are sometimes useful and always an opportunity for manipulation, for better or worse, that people should be aware of.

[–] kinther@lemmy.world 29 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I used to think fireworks were fun, but after getting a dog that is terrified of them, you start noticing all the little things.

People shoot then off randomly throughout the year. They leave behind garbage waste. Animals and even some humans seem to get PTSD from them.

I'm in favor of very limited fireworks in specific areas.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

I'm a veteran and used to get worked up by them. It took a few years but I mostly got over it because they were predictable, the city put out notices as well as the local baseball team. And then they were legalized for a specific time frame for everybody. Any random asshole could buy and shoot off fireworks during a 3 day window.

Cool, I can hang with that. But then they shoot them off randomly for the 2 weeks surrounding the weekend that they're allowed. That I can't hang with. Especially during the day. Why the fuck are you shooting them off during the day anyways?!? You can't see it! The thing that pisses me off the most? The motherfuckers shooting shit off at random times and days? Those assholes would happily suck my dick if I told them I'm a veteran and told them to do so. But then they'd fire off more fireworks to celebrate doing so.

[–] MaxPow3r11@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Fireworks fucking suck & it's exactly the assholes you expect who promote/buy/use them.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 116 points 1 week ago (8 children)

So the zoo loses 2 red pandas in a couple days and instead of investigating the conditions of their care, they blame it on the public being loud?

There are easy ways to protect your pets from fireworks noise so this stinks of scapegoating for their own terrible care.

[–] Fuzzy_Red_Panda@lemm.ee 25 points 1 week ago

Red panda infants are pretty fragile and often don’t survive in captivity. I would assume the mom passed away from complications due to birthing, but it could be anything.

[–] Paddzr@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Has the mother also died from early Fireworks? Since when do fireworks cause vomiting...

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Stress can cause vomiting, hell it can cause it in humans!

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[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

For a second I thought this was Reddit with all the armchairing. Holy crap

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[–] x00z@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also, why ban something when you can just have area bans?

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[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 94 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I'm dubious. Mom dies suddenly, then baby dies suddenly after choking on it's own vomit. Yeah, no, let's blame the fireworks. Surely, nothing else could be the cause of Red Panda deaths at this zoo.

[–] Cyv_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I had a whole thing earlier but was mistaken, the baby was 3 months old not a newborn. Either way, I still don't doubt that fireworks could easily stress out a very young animal and be the tipping point of their health.

I'm not sure what could motivate them to make a grand conspiracy against fireworks, rather than the more likely result of them being exhausted and frustrated caretakers who, like any pet owner, probably spent that evening trying to calm the panda down only to watch it panic until it died. Stress vomiting isn't really rare for animals on the 4th of July. It's just the extreme end of stress.

[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm not saying that it's a conspiracy against fireworks, but possibly a problem with the habitat, food, or something else that would cause big issues for the zoo if discovered. The fireworks were convenient. I have zero evidence for this other than the fact that a lot of zoos are complete cesspools, and so I typically don't trust "suddenly died" followed three days later by another "suddenly died" regardless of how many fireworks were launched off.

Also, there is this line:

Roxie had access to her den but the frightening noises seem to have been too much for her.

Seems like the zoo just left a weak animal to suffer instead of taking precautions to assure that the panda was placed in a safe location. It makes me doubt that anyone was even there, and that the zookeepers returned the following day to a dead red panda and tried to cover it up.

[–] MonsterMonster@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"I have zero evidence for this..."

Says it all really.

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[–] Cyv_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago

That's fair, I definitely jumped to the "they wanna take away fireworks" conspiracy on my end, too much arguing on the Internet for me this week >.<

I do hope they look into it. I just know how freaked out my pets have been in the past, inconsolable at times, so the fireworks being a real factor wouldn't surprise me. I'd hope they would have meds to help calm the animals, but I wonder if they were too young for them, or had a dosage issue.

[–] warm@kbin.earth 9 points 1 week ago

Whether or not it was the direct cause in this case, fireworks cause a lot of animals a lot of stress and deaths do come from it.

I don't see why anyone needs to be able to buy explosives to use at home, firework shows should be organised in set locations and should use low noise fireworks as much as possible.

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[–] hohoho@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

That’s sad. Why are they selling baby red pandas?

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 19 points 1 week ago

they can't eat all of them before the best before date

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[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah if man made noise is a problem for a species maybe don’t house them in the FUCKING CITY…

[–] ironchico@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Here’s Another thought too. Zoos are notorious for animal cruelty issues. How about not have animals locked up cruelly for our entertainment.

[–] Winged_Hussar@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

😭

So susceptible to stres. Zoos often lack enough cover and "hide away" spots for them. Poor thing

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hey, if your country is overrun by red panda infestations, you know exactly what to do!

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Die from cuteness overload?

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[–] SpaceScotsman@startrek.website 8 points 1 week ago

I find it immensely infuriating that the article's byline shows they are reporting from 'London' when in fact this happened not just in a different city, Edinburgh, but in a completely different country, Scotland.

Sad about the pandas, there are far too many people that simply can't be trusted with fireworks. Limiting it to a single night in dedicated display venues run by licensed organisations wouldn't remove the noise entirely, but it would reduce the frequency and would probably help all animals.

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