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[–] Foni@lemm.ee 118 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Yesterday I read on mastodon that leaving Twitter to go to Bluesky is like quitting smoking to start vaping. Changing a centralized place that lives off your data for another one. Right now Bluesky does not have hate speech like Twitter just because it does not suit the current accounts of its shareholders

[–] Dasnap@lemmy.world 87 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I think we just need to adopt the 2000s mindset again of dropping a platform when it gets shit. No one gave a fuck about the loss of Digg and Myspace.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 36 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Apparently they just become fascist

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

When did this become the default?

[–] Greg@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 months ago

I had a really good friend on MySpace that I lost touch with. I think he was a little paranoid, we didn't speak much and he was always looking over his shoulder. His name was Tom.

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

But now I have nostalgia for MySpace lol. Digg… not so much

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 52 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Switching to vaping is less bad, and for me, it lead to me quitting all together. So to me, this is still a small win, and I like to celebrate small wins these days.

[–] Spookyghost@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I would say quitting twitter to join bluesky is more like quitting menthols to smoke regular cigarettes, and switching to a decentralized platform would be more analogous to a switch to vaping. Quitting social media entirely would equate better to 'quitting smoking' in my mind, as i dont think any platform is mentally healthful (yes i am fully aware of the hypocrisy of posting this comment as a lemmy user).

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

I would say quitting twitter to join bluesky is more like quitting ~~menthols~~ PCP to smoke regular cigarettes

Fixed that for you.


For those who are unfamiliar,

PCP may cause hallucinations, distorted perceptions of sounds, and violent behavior.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Since Twitter is currently really really toxic, dangerous, and run by a maniac; and Bluesky currently is not (it's actually been amazingly non-toxic)...I strongly disagree.

Even shittier anaology, but it's more like moving from a house that has an active gas leak to a house that has gas pipes in the house. Has potential for leaks, but there aren't any right now. And it currently has working gas leak detectors.

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[–] garretble@lemmy.world 41 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I don’t know if hate speech will be able to flourish on Bluesky like on twitter simply because of the moderation tools.

There’s already a giant blocklist of maga idiots who have tried to move over, and if you follow that list you’ll never see their posts. And the unwritten rule of the place is to block anyone who is trying to start stuff or that you simply don’t like. On twitter that felt taboo for some reason, but on Bluesky that’s normal - as it should be, really.

[–] Dasnap@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Where can I get this list?

[–] garretble@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Here is one. I'm sure there are several.

https://bsky.app/profile/skywatch.blue/lists/3l53cjwlt4o2s

Edit: Just came across a post with several useful block lists for maga, nazis, other shitheads:

https://bsky.app/profile/azalben.bsky.social/post/3lawjdxpick2l

[–] Foni@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I left Twitter years ago, but I think you could also block whoever you want, whether people do it more or less is independent of the site, the moderation tools are the same. 3

What's more, I am 100% sure that if in a few years Bluesky considers it economically beneficial for its shareholders that these tools "have occasional failures" this will happen without a doubt. This is something that if happens in Mastodon, changing the node you are done

[–] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 10 points 3 months ago

Bluesky also lets you unpin your quotes from others posts so no quote dunking and they have a nuclear block. If you’re blocked, you can’t see their posts anywhere in quotes or otherwise (excepting screenshots) and that interaction is broken completely even to third parties that may have neither blocked.

[–] garretble@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (9 children)

Twitter didn't have block lists. You could block people individually, but not as a group.

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[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

If they're still allowed on the platform to speak their mind amongst their ilk, doesn't that just create an echo chamber of idiots? Assuming they stay instead of leaving after their fe-fes get hurt, of course.

[–] croaker@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 months ago

There will always be echo chambers of idiots. Twitter is more or less that already.

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[–] desmosthenes@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

https://atproto.com/guides/self-hosting it’s not so bad; they’re a lot more open than people giving them credit for. it’s just not as federated - yet

[–] Foni@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago

It has a single owner who makes the decisions and makes profitable the contributions of the users. It is a social media model that has been over for me for some time now, if they are open the better for them, I am not going to join anyway.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Twitter started dying when they closed the API

Bluesky’s is perfectly operational

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Things never change, companies never break promises, shareholders never hold power over decision, people can not be bought

Those would all have to be true in order for anyone to have a reason to put trust into Bluesky.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not a great analogy considering Vaping is infinitely healtheri than Smoking, but.. yeah.. they need to go to Mastodon.

[–] Foni@lemm.ee 10 points 3 months ago

I'm not going to discuss it with you, because I'm not a doctor nor is it the issue, but the health authorities (at least the European ones) do not agree with your statement.

[–] index@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Not really. You can host your own data but you still rely on Bluesky’s services to access it. And there is no realistic way to migrate your content or audience to another platform outside their control

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[–] Iapar@feddit.org 3 points 3 months ago (4 children)

How is mastodon not just a bunch of centralized platforms?

Sure the servers communicate with each other but the content is still just on one of them. Goes the server, so goes the content.

Or am I mistaking?

If it is like I say I feel it is more trading Hitler in for, potentially, a bunch of smaller Hitlers.

[–] Lanthanae@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

a bunch of centralized platforms?

This is what decentralized means. If your home instance goes to shit, you can just move your account to another one.

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[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

IIRC the content is on multiple. If there's a single user on lemmy.world subscribing to content from somewhere.else's foo community, then foo will be synced to lemmy.world and if somewhere.else is taken down it will remain on lemmy.world.

But someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, it isn't just about servers going offline. If a single server does something bad, you can just switch to a different one and enjoy the same content you've been seeing.

[–] Patch@feddit.uk 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If something has hundreds of "centralised" platforms owned and run by a diversity of different people and spread all over the world geographically, then that's "decentralised".

I can't really think of another way in which something could be decentralised.

With ActivityPub, there's nothing stopping you hosting a server literally just for yourself. It wouldn't get much more decentralised than that.

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[–] Foni@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

Well, I am not a systems engineer to answer your question, in any case smaller Hitlers equals Hitlers with less power. Dividing power is not the definitive solution to authoritarianism, but it usually helps a lot, especially if the agents are also competitive. "If you are too Hitler, I'll go to this other server that is a little less so" is a valid incentive to avoid the Hitlerization of the admins.

I don't think I've ever used the name Hitler so much.

[–] variants@possumpat.io 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I was just reading up on bluesky yesterday and you can self host and also have a bridge to link with the fediverse so maybe there is some hope to communicate

[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The bridges are singular points of failure. If the bridge you use goes down you lose all your audience that was on that bridge. It’s better than nothing however. I will consider normies using threads and Bluesky a win as much as I can but it’d be so more ideal if we just all were on open and truly federated protocols instead of relying on half measures

[–] variants@possumpat.io 3 points 3 months ago

Yeah I've been trying to convince an acquaintance to use mastodon instead of Twitter for a while then yesterday he mentioned he created a bluesky account and I had to look it up, not great but better I guess

[–] maxenmajs@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

It's a start. At least ordinary people are leaving Twitter for another site in some capacity.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago

We will be here when that goes to shit as well.

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