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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 4 points 5 days ago

This is going to create the political order we will live under for the rest of our lives.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It's actually likely to be better as long as trump waddles on. He's just so god damn bumbling that even with all the cards, he'll find little ways to not get his shit done.

Mind you it won't be enough, and it will be god damn fucking horrific. But decidedly less smooth while Narcissism Jones keeps grabby-handsing the wheel from his handlers and derailing his own goals.

[–] yrmp@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (10 children)

Until they kill him or use the 25th amendment to install Vance. Now that he’s won, you think the people around the useful idiot who have accepted all the Russian money will just let him fuck their plans up?

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[–] 46_and_2@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

The orange shrivelled taco will probably keel over before his term ends. Just look at him, does this look like someone who might survive four more years?

What would happen afterwards with JD Vance at the helm I'm less clear.

[–] BlueMacaw@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (12 children)

To everyone in here saying that this is the end of democracy and this is the end times, what is stopping you from buying a gun and training with other liberals/leftists? Or are you just going to keel over and die?

[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I already have guns, several of them.

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[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The gun store closes before I get home from work. That's why I'm going tomorrow.

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[–] Mac@mander.xyz 5 points 6 days ago

I'm not a killer.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (5 children)

If they can afford a gun they likely have one, but rather than forming sects and training it seems like the moral thing to do, causing the least amount of harm to anybody, is wait for the enemy to attack first, if they do attack.

Joining a small militant group or ecoterrorism sect not only brings personal risks but also runs the risk of harming innocents, and being manipulated by other interested parties who would like to see destruction on American shores.

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 3 points 5 days ago

What happened to the Iranian left after 1979's revolution:

The Iranian left played a significant role in the 1979 revolution but was ultimately suppressed and marginalized by Ayatollah Khomeini's Islamist forces in the aftermath. Here's an overview of what happened to leftist groups after the revolution:

Initial Collaboration and Support

Many leftist groups initially supported and collaborated with Khomeini's movement to overthrow the Shah:

  • Various Marxist-Leninist, socialist, and communist organizations participated in the revolutionary coalition[5].
  • Some leftist groups like the Tudeh Party (pro-Soviet communists) and Fedayeen (urban guerillas) attracted many student members[5].
  • The leftist-Islamist group Mujahedin also gained significant support among students[5].
  • Many leftists viewed Khomeini's movement as anti-imperialist and hoped to push it in a more progressive direction[1].

Gradual Suppression

However, Khomeini and his allies soon moved to sideline and suppress leftist forces:

  • In March 1979, Khomeini declared "do not use this term, 'democratic.' That is the Western style," signaling his opposition to liberal and leftist ideals[2].
  • The National Democratic Front (a leftist group) was banned in August 1979[2].
  • Universities were purged of leftist influence starting in March 1980[2].
  • By early 1981, the government had closed MEK (People's Mujahedin) offices, banned their newspapers, and issued arrest warrants for their leaders[2].

Violent Crackdown

The suppression of the left intensified into violent persecution:

  • Between 1981-1985, nearly 8,000 political opponents were executed, many of them leftists[3].
  • In 1988, a "Death Committee" oversaw the mass execution of leftist prisoners[1].
  • Overall, the Islamic Republic's crackdown on dissent was far more brutal than the Shah's regime, which had executed fewer than 100 political prisoners between 1971-1979[3].

Reasons for Failure

Several factors contributed to the left's inability to maintain influence:

  • Lack of unity and organization among moderate and radical leftist factions[2].
  • Underestimation of the conservatism of the Iranian masses[2].
  • The left's secular ideology conflicted with the religious fervor driving much of the revolution[1].
  • Khomeini's skillful co-opting of leftist anti-imperialist and social justice rhetoric into an Islamist framework[3][4].

Legacy

By the end of 1979, the "secular middle class" and liberals had been largely sidelined, leaving mainly Islamist factions in power[2]. The suppression of the left helped consolidate the Islamic Republic's hold on power and narrowed the range of acceptable political ideologies in Iran[3]. However, some leftist ideas around social justice and anti-imperialism were incorporated into the Islamic Republic's ideology, albeit in a religious framework[4].

Citations: [1] Ideology and Iran's Revolution: How 1979 Changed the World https://institute.global/insights/geopolitics-and-security/ideology-and-irans-revolution-how-1979-changed-world [2] Aftermath of the Iranian revolution - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aftermath_of_the_Iranian_Revolution [3] Four decades later, did the Iranian revolution fulfill its promises? https://www.brookings.edu/articles/four-decades-later-did-the-iranian-revolution-fulfill-its-promises/ [4] What Iran's 1979 revolution meant for the Muslim Brotherhood https://www.brookings.edu/articles/what-irans-1979-revolution-meant-for-the-muslim-brotherhood/ [5] How Iran's Theocrats Allied With — and Then Crushed — the Left https://jacobin.com/2022/10/chahla-chafiq-iranian-left-khomeini-protests-feminism [6] Iranian Revolution | Summary, Causes, Effects, & Facts - Britannica https://www.britannica.com/event/Iranian-Revolution

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 3 points 5 days ago

II think it's entirely possible the world is fucked. Climate crisis won't come during his 2nd administration, but the 4 years we lose in national and international regulation is going to make it impossible to prevent.

It'll be slow, but before 2061, I expect the death of the global Internet, and global shipping, and most air travel. Electrical grids will fracture or fail and the pieces used for smaller (at most regional) grid. Cities won't be able to maintain the sewer pumps, and Cholera will start killing people again. Gas lines will stop maintaining pressure.

I don't plan on sticking around that long. My BP has always been bad, so I figure just indulging my vices will make this no my problem, and I don't have a partner or descendants.

If you prefer not embracing despair, I suggest looking into how you and your dearest can survive without infrastructure. Local food production, local power and medicine production. Don't count on supplies you can't retrieve within a day of travel, and don't count on the state to maintain roads. "Solarpunk" might be a good search term. Also, might prepare for unpredictable shifts in the local climate, like preferring indoor growing.

If anyone has data that says we can avoid climate collapse with no new national or international regulation before 2029, I'd love to hear it. Please.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

America has always been a white supremacist slave colony.

It will still be fucking over the entire planet.

[–] moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago

At least 200%, it's the end of an era.

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