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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] SeikoAlpinist@slrpnk.net 70 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I guess the world burning was worth sticking it to Kamala for Gaza.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 23 points 6 days ago

may a better species rise from the ashes of our civilization

[–] Didros@beehaw.org 5 points 6 days ago

I guess Gaza being 100% fucked was worth losing the presidency for Democrats.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Congratulations to climate change. You won buddy. Now get to work on Florida and Texas.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

They'll blame it on the Democrats’ weather control technology. You know we have weather control technology, right? We hooked up ghost shamans to quantum computers being run by AI-controlled gay frogs on the 5G network, thereby unlocking the 9th chakra of Satan.

Didn’t you know, bro?

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 14 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Ukraine is fucked Taiwan is probably fucked Europe is probably fucked Palestine is fucked The world climate is fucked

Did I miss anything?

[–] Didros@beehaw.org 8 points 6 days ago

Economists think his economic plan will crash the dollar and, by extension, the world markets.

But in brighter news, Flint Michigan has clean water as of a few months ago...

[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If Europe falls, it'll be because of our own Nazis coming to power everywhere if we can't eradicate them, not because of the US.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

The US nazis would have shown the way, but we'd do it to ourselves, yes.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Migrants in America are fucked as well. Mass deportation, if they are lucky, if not they kill them.

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[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

95% of the lower tax brackets (as in if you aren't in the top 5 % they are raising your taxes permanently, again) of the US are now not only fucked, we are now "the enemy within," for being "too poor."

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[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

The planet will win. I can assure you of that.

It was here long before us and it will be long after we are gone.

[–] Pantless_Paladin@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Exactly, the one who loses is humanity, not the planet.

[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

In the same way it won after the 5 previous mass extinction events I guess (we started the 6th).

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 15 points 6 days ago

the environment. everything. roe vs wade was because of the judiciary but now they control all the levers.

[–] dontgooglefinderscult@lemmings.world 13 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Well they'll try. Unfortunately for oil and coal companies, China exists.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 25 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Unfortunately, climate action is a collective effort globally. With him being in the pocket of Big Oil, expect no further investment into renewables and increased coal mining, fracking, and oil drilling.

Anyone who cared about climate and voted for him (or abstained/voted third party) basically fucked themselves and everybody else.

[–] dontgooglefinderscult@lemmings.world 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

That's nice, but Americans and American companies can't afford non renewable energy. Trump needs to triple subsidies over the next 4 years to keep them competitive with renewable energy.

Just a reminder, Trump is not more corrupt or well bribed than Texas, and Texas is one of the largest producers of renewable energy in the Western hemisphere. Money wins over ideology, and there's a lot more money to be had with solar and wind given the now low upfront costs and nearly non-existent maintenance costs compared to all fossil fuels.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 8 points 6 days ago

I hope you're right. I don't really see that in practice, as we slow walk that transition.

[–] sonori@beehaw.org 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Counterpoint, Alberta exists and low costs benefit the consumer, not the company. I am fully confident that the profit made by oil and gas is significantly more than the tight profit margins in renewables, which means far less money to throw at politicians. Oil and gas can therefore throw much more money at Trump and still be in the black on their ‘investment’, even if you ignore that Trump has deep ideological and political opposition to renewables.

[–] dontgooglefinderscult@lemmings.world 5 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Renewables don't have tight profit margins, you're think of nuclear, maybe hydro.

Solar approaches a 100% profit margin after 20 years, wind only ever gets to 90ish but still has the same timeline. Without subsidies, neither oil or coal gets profitable.

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

As well as changes to the EPA, NOAA, etc. Talking about climate change might become dangerous. Asking for help from FEMA may weigh heavily on how your state voted.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Anyone who cared about climate and voted for him

i think that intersection is very small.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 5 points 6 days ago

Which is why I also included abstainers. Not large groups on their own, but enough to swing an election

[–] kozy138@lemm.ee 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

But per capita, China is pumping way less greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere than the USA. And much of China's industry only exists to sell cheap goods to Western countries.

China also built more high-speed rail in a decade than the US has in it's entirety. Not to mention how fast they're producing electric cars and solar panels.

[–] dontgooglefinderscult@lemmings.world 9 points 6 days ago (7 children)

That's what I mean, oil and coal companies can try regression, but China is already able to export the means for countries and communities to create their own power cheaper than those groups could buy power from fossil fuels companies.

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[–] federalreverse@feddit.org 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Chinese policy doesn't give a shit about climate change. In fact, Xi is banking on a Northern passageway to Europe permanently unthawing to avoid the partly US-controlled South China Sea.

Xi cares about staying in power until he drops in the 2030s, for that he neess to keep the country stable and the people quiet. So what he really wants is industrial power and rising welfare. He's found that one of the best ways to gain an edge that is to spur useful innovation that wealthier nations will want to adopt.

What this means is that we'll see a lot of climate-friendly technology coming out of China, but the country may not care much about cleaning up its footprint.

[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 11 points 6 days ago (28 children)

Even if you are right I'll take doing the right thing for the wrong reasons over the fucking disappointment and self destruction coming from the United States.

Doesn't matter how you spin it, China is objectively better for the world right now.

You can feel morally superior all the way to societal collapse

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 7 points 6 days ago

Tbh, doesn't feel good pinning hopes on China, but I'll take what I can get at this point.

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Biden/Harris significantly strengthened the oil oligarchy. Posing an existential threat to Russia resulted in 3%+ of global diesel use for the war, and eliminates all possibility of Russia cooperating on global warming. Heating fuel high prices (same refining fraction as diesel) helped drive inflation complaints, and Biden/Harris could never suggest ending the war on Russia to fix inflation. Tariffs on solar, batteries, emobility, and EVs are pro-oil oligarchy as well. Steel tariffs are limiting any reindustrialization chances.

Any priority greater than climate sustainability, war and oil profits for example, ensures climate destruction. "Needing" the US to dominate a "slow energy transition" is placing an unnecessary priority above climate sustainability. Trusting the US as an ally ensures climate destruction. Japan and ROK abandonned their renewable energy targets during Biden administration to help US oil oligarchy.

While Trump may try to destroy US clean energy production and adoption, a war on Iran is likely to be divisive, though it is unclear Harris would have stopped it. Very high oil prices from a war on Iran will put the US on the razor's edge of collapse. Terrorism costs, war expense, inflation, will motivate leveraged dead ender energy investments throughout world, while simultaneously strengthening China/BRICs and demand destruction for FFs.

If there is no war on Iran, and peace in Ukraine, then lower oil prices will stop more US drilling. More US drilling will result in more OPEC production and accelerated price drops that discourage drilling. Like Biden, it is only war that will destroy climate. Trump will strengthen China even more than Biden did. The US is never likely to prioritize climate sustainability over clinging to desperate death throws over its hegemony.

Trump, by accelerating US collapse, will do more for climate sustainability than you think. Individual states and NATO vassals will take more responsibility for global warming.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sorry, but accelerationism only gets us a lasting fascism. It doesn't get us the kid of stable world where people can substitute wind and solar for fossil fuels

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

My point is that the US will always prioritize global domination over climate sustainability. Trump's first term did include private/state level US mandates for sustainability as a reaction to dooming-fascism. That movement weakened under Biden. Local hope movements are an uphill battle, but still possible.

Nature of US politics, and a popular vote favouring extreme strengthening of oligarchy, can again result in a strong pendulum movement away from climate destruction, but the next zionist/neocon candidate the DNC provides us will not prioritize global cooperation/sustainability any more than Biden did. Either US collapse, or a political movement based on UBI that disempowers the US empire will lead to lower US emissions.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 4 points 5 days ago

I wouldn't say that the movement towards state action weakened under Biden; we got some great examples of it, such as the requirement for renewables in Minnesota.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

10 dollars say that trump will die in office, soon, and his extremist successor will install himself as a theocratic dictator

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[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

The way I see it, it's not too late to organize another Jan. 6th. If I had the means and ability to make it over and help with a Democrat version, I would no questions asked. Anything for the sake of preventing that fascist from re-entering the oval office. I'm at the point where I'm all for Dems going violently radical against the fascists.

If one does get organized, I'd be willing to chip in a small amount of money out of my financial aid in order to aid the right side of history.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Biden had the power/justification to put Trump in military jail since 2021. He doesn't seem interested.

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That's why I was referring to the average people doing it, but instead of right wing fascists storming the capital to overthrow democracy, it's Dems storming it to save democracy.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There is no leader volunteering for President should an insurrection be successful.

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago

In the spirit of all insurrection, we could install a leader. There's a little less than 2 months to organize. May not be a lot of time, but there certainly is time. And if nothing else, trying to force someone to be president, so long as they ain't one of the fascists, isn't great but it isn't the absolute worst option. What would make it even better is if we got support from people like Sanders for something like this, even though I'm fairly certain he wouldn't agree to it.

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