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I want to talk about our gateway products to open source. You know, that one product or software that made us go, "Whoa, this is amazing!" and got us hooked on the world of open source.

What made you to jump ships? Was it the "free" side of things like qBittorrent? Did you even know that some of your programs are open source before you got into the topic?

For me those products were:

  • Android
  • Firefox
  • VLC
  • Calibre

Am thinking to order some merch and I wanna make it more accessible to people unfamilliar with open source culture. Now, am looking for fairly normalized but still underrepresented product -- maybe it could serve as a conversation starter and push some people to open source

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[–] silvercove@lemdro.id 39 points 1 year ago

My roommate installed Ubuntu on my laptop when I was in college. That was the start. Now it looks like this: https://xkcd.com/456/

[–] sanzky@beehaw.org 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Linux. I think I started playing with it around 2001. I was a computer nerd on high school and I wanted to be a hacker. I would be lying if I said that The Matrix wasn't a big factor. To this day I use black console with green text.

[–] graphito@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago
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[–] seSvxR3ull7LHaEZFIjM@feddit.de 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

For me it was first VLC without really knowing what FOSS was, then KeePass while getting to know a bit about it, and finally Thunderbird. What did it for me was just how good and bullshit-free they were, especially in comparison to paid competitors. They really are the best products in their field, proving the quality often behind FOSS software.

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[–] twilightmeow@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago

Using linux as an alternative to windows and really enjoying it.

[–] privsecfoss@feddit.dk 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Firefox and VLC on Windows for years, which just worked. Later XBMC/Kodi and fileserver which where s... on windows but, again, just worked on Linux. When Windows later on kept nagging for something I migrated to 100% Open Source and have been a happy camper ever since!

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[–] everett@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Gaim.

GIMP and Mozilla Browser were a couple of my early ones as a Windows user, but I probably saw those as worse, or at least less polished, versions of other software. Gaim (later Pidgin) was the one that first made an impression on me.

AIM was important software — it basically was social media to me at the time — and I'd stumbled into using third-party add-ons (for example, DeadAIM) for the official AIM client to add extra features and block the in-app ad banner. But it was always a cat-and-mouse game where AOL would try to block add-ons and the developers would have to work around that.

Gaim was refreshingly immune to all that stuff... it simply didn't support ads, and all its advanced features were built-in. That it supported other messaging protocols was a nice surprise too, and to this day has soured me on siloed, proprietary messaging apps. The GTK UI also looked and felt a little exotic on Windows XP.

When I finally moved to Ubuntu, having apps like Gaim, Firefox and GIMP ready to go made things pretty comfy.

Getting a free Ubuntu live CD back in 2007 when I was a teenager. We had the shittiest internet, I think it was like 512kbps ADSL, so it was really hard to download software. No one I knew at the time was into linux or open source, so I learnt about it all from that Ubuntu CD and the smaller programs I downloaded with it once setting it up. I learnt GRUB and dual-booted it on the laptop I had for school.

[–] Toast@lemmy.film 8 points 1 year ago

Apache. This was over 20 years ago. The web server that everyone seemed to be using was free to download and open source. That made a big impact on how I viewed free software, and encouraged me to use more of it.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There really wasn't a specific gateway product, and I'm still using closed and open source solutions back to back.

User experience and user interface are more important to me than open source. The only consideration I have beyond that would be privacy & security.

For instance I've always used Firefox and rejected Chrome due to data privacy concerns, and would use a portable chromium installation if a website was inaccessible with FF. On the other hand side MS Office and Photoshop are vastly superior to libre office and gimp.

When it comes to applications I use once in a blue moon for a few minutes at a time, I'll usually go for FOSS, but moreso because it's free and the UI can be as ugly as it wants if I don't have to stare at it for hours on end.

And well, I absolutely despise Apple as a company, so using Android was pretty much without alternatives, after BlackBerry discontinued their OS.

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[–] peterg75@discuss.online 7 points 1 year ago

Gimp, OpenOffice.org, VLC, Slackware, and on and on after that. Every flavor of Linux: RedHat, SuSe, Ubuntu, now on Manjaro and Endeavour.

[–] dosse91@lemmy.trippy.pizza 7 points 1 year ago

For me it was a combination of factors: Windows has been going down the shitter for at least 10 years now, FOSS software has been getting better and better, and I've learned to use more FOSS tools as I grew tired of dealing with Windows.

If I had to point at one project that made me go "Wow, this is amazing", I'd say ffmpeg. Even in my Windows days, I've always enjoyed digital preservation, when I discovered ffmpeg around 2015 it was an eye opener, so many features, so many options, I've been using it on a daily basis ever since.

[–] MangoKangaroo@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Although I technically used OSS before (ie Firefox), Linux (Ubuntu) is what made me actually start caring about it.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Mhm my first FOSS was probably The Gimp two or so decades ago. Previous to that I used Corel Draw and Paint Shop Pro. Suse Linux on a CD followed soon after as a test, but it didn't hold me for long.

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[–] words_number@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago

My first contact to FOSS were probably Firefox, Open Office (before libre office existed) and Gimp.

[–] drwho@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

Slackware. Just before I started college I was sent the list of baseline requirements for comp.sci classes. Windows 95 or Windows NT, Visual C++, and a serial connection. I didn't have the money for '95 or NT; I was still using an 80486 with four (just before moving on campus, I traded up to eight) megs of RAM and wasn't in a position to get a new box (though I did drop pretty much my entire discretionary budget for the next two years into a one gig hard drive, which got me all the way through undergrad). However, there was a BBS in my NPA called Monolith, which was basically a Slackware Linux box with two dialup lines running homebrew BBS software. The sysop let me download the boot, root, A, D, and N disk sets (one floppy at a time - it took weeks) and helped me set up a basic Slackware machine. Once I got up to school I was able to set up a serial connection (and later, talk the building into lighting up my floor's ethernet lines). The rest, as they say, is history.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I can't even remember... It was probably when I first heard about Linux in the early/mid 90's. I got Slackware in 93 or 94 and fascinated by the idea in general.

Hell, if might even have started before that when I was first learning to read and read through our encyclopedia collection like bedtime stories (I was obsessed with reading anything in print once I learned how). I know that's how I learned about the internet.

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[–] gatelike@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I got pulled in after hearing the term "copyleft". Red hat 6 was out (version numbering scheme has changed since then). I was a teen and into skateboarding and punk so I was attracted to this legal document that used the system against the system. I became a Linux evangelist to fight back against Steve Ballmer and big bad Microsoft. Felt good to have a glimmer of hope.

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[–] hellfire103@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

The first FOSS product I ever used would have been either Firefox or OpenOffice.org, back in ~2010. I also used to like VLC.

The product that got me to go almost exclusively FOSS, however, was Linux Mint. I installed it on an old ThinkPad that my uncle had given me in 2019, and I was immediately impressed that this twelve-year-old notebook with (at the time) 4GB of RAM and an Intel Centrino processor could now easily outperform my brand new HP (which ran Windows).

It was only about a year later when I installed Mint on my HP, followed by my old Acer (which had been on a shelf for the last two years), and most recently my 2007 MacBook (which I keep around because it's the only thing that can operate my scanner).

[–] klangcola@reddthat.com 6 points 1 year ago

Firefox 1.0

Not only was it better than IE6, it was also free! Not sure how aware I was of the libre aspect initially, but around the same time I also dabled in (Mandrake? Mandriva?) Linux, which exposed me to GNU, GPL, and the idea of copyleft.

And then there was VLC.

[–] tc43@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Slackware Linux, on a bunch of floppies. Oh man, when did I get old?

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[–] christopherius@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

I don't remember how I heard about it but you used to be able to order free Ubuntu disks. I got them to mail me one and I replaced Windows with it and never looked back.

[–] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My computer suddenly died when I was an unemployed student, about 12 years ago. I had no money for a new one or repairs, etc. It was pretty devastating.

Then I somehow discovered my city's local Freegeek, (the one in Vancouver BC) - I was able to buy an refurbished Ubuntu tower for $35. They showed me how to use it, invited me back if I needed help, and were generally super kind and helpful.

It was a very nice introduction to the world of open source. I had no clue such a thing as free software and OS even existed before then. Ive been using linux ever since, as much as possible.

[–] t0fr@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

I can't say I actually recall. My dad was a software developer and into open source software so I was around a lot of that growing up. Firefox was my first web browser, OpenOffice writer was my first document processor. My dad installed some open source games on an Ubuntu machine for me to play. It was a little bit of everything.

[–] MudMan@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I... is that a thing that people have?

I mean, maybe I'm too old, but I don't know of anybody in real life that actively thinks there is a "world of open source". People mostly just use software. Software is either good or bad. It's either monetized or it isn't.

Maybe I come from a time where a piece of software attempting to charge a fee was seen as a cute quirk, or the extra charge if you wanted a printed manual, but yeah, this doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

[–] d3Xt3r@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

People mostly just use software. Software is either good or bad. It's either monetized or it isn't.

This is true, but also, this ideology is mainly seen in Windows of macOS users - these users they just use software.

But there most certainly is a "world of open source", and you usually enter that world when you switch to an opensource OS like Linux. And the reason why it's a whole new world is because you'd predominantly use opensource software on such an OS, so you're going from a world full of mostly proprietary software, to a world full of mostly opensource software - it's a stark contrast.

So usually, at least for me, any talks of entering the "world of open source" usually begins with switching to, or trying out, an opensource OS. At least on the desktop.

On the mobile space however, particularly in the Android world, there's been a growing awareness and desire among the privacy conscious people to switch to opensource apps. More and more folks are tired of the ads and tracking and privacy issues that plague proprietary apps typically found on the Play Store, so people have been increasingly looking towards opensource apps, which are free from such annoyances, and as a result, opensource stores such as F-Droid and Droidify have been gaining in popularity.

So there's most definitely a world of open source out there, and the first step into that word usually beings with people getting fed up with corporations screwing them over, and thus looking for alternatives.

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[–] TerryTPlatypus@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

For me, Blender was probably my very first introduction into FOSS. I was using it because it was free, but I also liked the concept behind having a useful software the people used everyday to make cool projects like movies and animated shows. I did a project on it in. What really got me down the rabbithole was Debian. I had come across it in computer class, and I really liked the interface. i did more research and came to love Debian for being a stable distro run by the community. From thereit's history.

[–] furrowsofar@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

Python.

Also just getting away from MacOS and Windows. That was running away not toward though. Python was the towards.

[–] Commiunism@lemmy.wtf 6 points 1 year ago

Nothing, I didn't think much of it or cared if something was open source or not. It's when I started to become privacy conscious I started to care, though one program in my childhood that I actually thought was cool but not necessarily because open source was 7-zip - it's free winrar that worked better for me.

[–] BubblyMango@lemmy.wtf 6 points 1 year ago

Not my first libre product, but definitely the one that got me into searching for libre alternatives - OpenOffice. Despite not being great at the time (or ever), i was amazed by how complicated microsoft turned 365Office into. I suddenly had to buy subscriptions to all of the office products for outrages prices just so that i can have a simple words editors? Screw that, i googled for "open source office software" and never came back to m$Office.

[–] somenonewho@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago
  • OpenOffice
  • Firefox
  • Thunderbird
[–] deliux@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago

Windows. More specially a netbook with vista, that ran so incredibly slow ot of the box that it pushed me to install linux. Technically i used Firefox before that, but that was when Firefox was the de facto standard in Germany, so i didn't care about FOSS.

This question has really got me thinking about the old days! I thought that it was looking into Debian Linux when trying to repurpose some old IBM PS/2 machines at work, because there were rumors of patchsets for the Linux kernel to support the MicroChannel Architecture bus and ESDI drives. But now I remember that it was actually GeekGadgets, a Unix environment for Amiga based around the ixemul.library. That's where I first read the GPL, and admired its legal Jiu-Jitsu of using copyright laws to ensure freedom.

I've never been a Windows user on my own machines as a result. I just went from Amiga, to FreeBSD, to Ubuntu.

[–] Lemmchen@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Simply because I haven't seen it mentioned yet: 7-zip
But realistically VLC and Firefox

[–] wreck@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Android and Firefox. GIMP is also amazing... Krita is one I found recently

[–] Sharmat@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

I started first in 2012-ish with Linux. That’s when I first heard of it, and decided to spin an VM with Ubuntu 12.04. Though initially I didn’t use it in real hardware for sometime, eventually I did install Fedora and been pretty happy ever since. Nowadays mostly use openSUSE and Arch.

[–] MiddledAgedGuy@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I came across Linux sometime in the late 90's. It was free (as in pricetag, which is all I cared about at the time) and different so I was curious. The PC I was using wasn't mine so repartitioning wasn't an option but I found some ready to go boot from dos linux distro and gave it a go. And I loved it! And still do.

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[–] davefischer@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

I started with 4.3BSD on a VAX-11/750 in the mid 80s. At the time, you had to pay for a Unix license from AT&T, send a copy of the paperwork to UC Berkeley as proof, then they'd mail you a 9-track tape. (I think that was the process? I was just a lowly user on the system.)

Not exactly what we'd call "Free software", but after all that you did end up with the full source code.

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