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[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 197 points 1 month ago (28 children)

There is a lot about this that is nuts, but one thing that really jumps out at me.

It seems like Netanyahu is planning an October surprise to shank Harris. And it seems like he is doing it in broad daylight. It certainly seems like a massive offensive strike on Iran one or two weeks before the election is a straightforward way to throw a close election to Trump.

But with this I have to ask: are Biden and Harris assisting with a plan that is clearly intended to cost Harris the election?

I want to say that they surely must've told Israel not to launch anything before election day. But based in their actions so far, it doesn't seem like they're imposing a "no election interference against us personally" requirement as a condition of their assistance.

I guess we'll see.

[–] Fox@pawb.social 146 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Their messaging so far to Israel has been "do whatever the fuck you want, 💰💰"

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 55 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

"You give me money, I give you weapons of war. You give me money, I ignore the screams of children."

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

[the sound of children screaming has been removed]

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[–] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 67 points 1 month ago (16 children)

I would much rather see a Harris administration handle this than chaos Trump.

[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 68 points 1 month ago (7 children)

This is a weird thing to say, but I actually don't think that there's any indication that Harris or Trump would do anything substantially different with regard to Israel, but the biggest change is that if Trump wins, I suspect that coverage of this will disappear behind all the coverage of his domestic chaos. At least if Harris is president I think there is a chance we see the press maintain a modicrum of interest in covering this.

Either way, words can't describe my anger that Harris appears to be prepared to throw the election over her support for genocide. It is an unreal situation to watch.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 73 points 1 month ago (13 children)

Fuckface 45 literally said that Israel should "finish the job":

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240628-trump-let-israel-finish-the-job-in-gaza/

I'm not voting for that Fuckface. Neither should any intelligent person.

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 month ago

Trump would tell Netanyahu to nuke the place and he'd fucking do it. It would be a catastrophe the likes of which we haven't seen since WWII.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 42 points 1 month ago (8 children)

The insanity is not that it is Republicans or Democrats

The insane part is that America is just sleep walking straight into a war that will probably escalate into something much bigger and no one wants to do anything about it.

God help us all

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[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 16 points 1 month ago

Nobody snatches defeat from the jaws of victory like a Democrat.

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[–] pound_heap@lemm.ee 118 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Oh come on, the header is a clickbait. There is a US military base in Israel already, it's been there for years. The article is about an announcement that they are sending another missile defense battery with personnel alongside

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (15 children)

There are 100 more US soldiers deployed, aren't there? I'm not a US citizen, but I still wonder why more troops are needed to help Israel in an war of aggression that violates international law.

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[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 109 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I feel so bad for the people being deployed and their families. These people are being positioned to be triggers for a war against Iran. They believe it will be easier to manufacture consent for that war if the administration (whichever one we have) can point to dead Americans. Sick shit.

[–] Moah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 52 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They should point to the Americans killed by Israel

[–] Zexks@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

They don’t care about kids dying in their own backyards. They definitely don’t give a shit about Americans abroad.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There's plenty of dead Americans already on both sides of this conflict. But somehow the brown ones don't get mentioned.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 90 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I hate how I can't even comfort myself by knowing this idiocy will cost them the election because these fucks are the less horrible option.

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yep, this is coming from the most 'leftist' candidates we are allowed to vote for. Pretty fucked up options we get to choose from. I hate it here.

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[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 73 points 1 month ago (16 children)

US President Joe Biden has said he is "absolutely, positively" urging Israel to stop firing at UN peacekeepers during its conflict with Hezbollah in Lebanon, following two incidents in 48 hours. Source

Some hours later: Biden absolutely, positively sends troops to help Israel out. WTF...

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To support UN peacekeepers, right?

... right?

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

"absolutely, positively"

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[–] LiamMayfair@lemmy.sdf.org 67 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Clickbait bullshit. The Department of Defense statement clarifies the US "troops" are just the crew required to operate the air defense battery equipment the US has been supplying to Israel for a while now.

This is not the first time the United States has deployed a THAAD battery to the region. The President directed the military to deploy a THAAD battery to the Middle East last year following the October 7th attacks to defend American troops and interests in the region.

Again, nothing new or different about this. The US is not putting boots on the ground to shoot people up. At least not yet.

[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

No, you're very mistaken. Let me explain.

In the past, the US has stationed supporting troops off of Israel, in battleships far away. It's meant to provide support while keeping things calm.

The reason that putting any soldiers IN Israel is significant is that it means that if Iran tries to kill any Israeli soldiers, they can't do it without risking killing Americans. And if they kill an American, it is understood that we will retaliate and they will be at war with the United States of America.

That's the point of sending 100 troops to offer "tech support". It's to deliberately create conditions that could start a war. If you ask a general, they'll claim that it's just shrewd tactics, because letting Iran know all this means that good judgment will prevent them from attacking Israel. But every war in history is preceded by people making those claims (even when they don't believe them) before going to war.

This is foreplay. This is how you flirt when you're a NatSec pervert thinking of going to war against someone.

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[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 51 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Imagine dying not to protect US people or not even their interest.

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[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 50 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Biden is really trying to start a whole new war and make the Democrats lose this election.

[–] ElectricAirship@lemmy.dbzer0.com 55 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Honestly, I think Biden supports this unwaveringly because it aligns with US policy to keep the region destabilized.

I mean they helped overthrow the Shah, aided the Taliban in fighting the soviets, invaded Iraq and Kuwait (which led directly to the creation of jihadist state -- ISIS), aided a US-aligned faction in the Syrian civil war, helped put down the 2011 democratic revolutions... there is so much more.

And for what? To keep them from realizing they are all arabs and are sitting on the largest collective reserves of oil in the world...

Evil Empire.

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[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 43 points 1 month ago (18 children)

So hold on, no troops in Ukraine, because they're not NATO, but troops in Israel no problem?

Or is it because US is scared shitless of Putin? Or is it because a lot of prople sympathise eith Putin?

Maybe there's no profit in aiding Ukraine?

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[–] brown567@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 month ago
[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 34 points 1 month ago (28 children)

Biden is trying really hard to lose the election for the democrats.

What blackmail does Netanyahu have on the guy? This is such a bad move.

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[–] Shotgun_Alice@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Now why exactly are we doing that?

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[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

One day closer to World War 3, I guess.

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[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (16 children)

Oh shit. Either he’s trolling Harris’s campaign or they really are a cult. Very popular decision joe, sure people will forget till november.

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In an alternative timeline, Biden finally grows a pair, cancels this and other weapon shipments and the election ends with a landslide.

It’s right there Joe, it would be a bigger power move than him stepping down.

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[–] aquinteros@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

to stop Netanyahu right.... right ??? padme shook face*

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