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Well, this just got darker.

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[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 257 points 1 month ago (12 children)

This isn't surprising, it's inevitable.

If you folks knew how common pedophilic fantasies are amongst the general public, you would be shocked. Just look to cultures like Japan and Russia that don't strongly condemn such things, and you'll find it's about 15% of the population. It's only less in the West because of the near homicidal stigma attached to it that makes people vigorously hide that part of themselves.

Fortunately, this also shows that the vast majority of those people don't offend.

We also tend to define pedophilia as "anything sexual involving a minor", while reacting to it as if it means "violent rape of a toddler", so no shit, we sexualize youth all the time, the 18 year mark is a legal and social formality, not a hard limit on human attraction. Adults will find themselves attracted to teens, and they won't reveal that because who the fuck ever would?

If anything, the issue isn't that people have these attractions and fantasies, it is that some portion of those people can't separate fantasy from reality and are willing to hurt a child to get what they want, or they are sociopaths that consume child porn without feeling disgust for witnessing horrific child abuse.

[–] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 72 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I think the common incest fantasy in the west isn't too far removed from this too. Like all the actors are above age minimums but they pretend to be step kids or babysitters like these roles aren't commonly associated with children and older teens. It's clearly a form of deflection IMO.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Could also be that those are the only porns with even a half assed attempt at a plot instead of just opening with a ground and pound

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

even a half assed attempt at a plot

"I watch it for the plot, I wonder if they'll ever get her unstuck"

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[–] peanuts4life@lemmy.blahaj.zone 166 points 1 month ago (38 children)

I actually don't think this is shocking or something that needs to be "investigated." Other than the sketchy website that doesn't secure user's data, that is.

Actual child abuse / grooming happens on social media, chat services, and local churches. Not in a one on one between a user and a llm.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago

It's the "burn that witch" reaction.

See how they hate pedophiles and not child rapists.

The crowd wants to feel its power by condemning (and lynching if possible) someone.

I'd rather want to investigate those calling for "investigation" and further violation of privacy of people who for all we know have committed no crime.

That's about freedom of speech and yelling "fire" in a crowded theater and thousand hills radio, you know the argument.

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[–] rickdg@lemmy.world 73 points 1 month ago

insert surprised pikachu face here

[–] Soup@lemmy.cafe 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wait… so you meant to tell me that predatory simps are using AI incorrectly? Man…. If only someone could have called this years ago- something could have been done to minimize it!

Who knew that unchecked growth could lead to negative results?!

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago (6 children)

But they did, AI Dungeon got nerfed so bad you could only have happy adventures with.

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 31 points 1 month ago

Not at all surprising but also it is an AI

[–] zlatiah@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A bit off topic... But from my understanding, the US currently doesn't have a single federal agency that is responsible for AI regulation... However, there is an agency for child abuse protection: the National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect within Department of HHS

If AI girlfriends generating CSAM is how we get AI regulation in the US, I'd be equally surprised and appalled

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[–] Johanno@feddit.org 29 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Ain't that what are the tools there for. I mean I don't like cp and I don't want to engage in way with people who like it. But I use those llms to describe fantasies that I wouldn't even talk about with other humans.

As long as they don't do it on real humans nobody is hurt.

[–] erwan@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The problem with AI generated CP is that if they're legal, it opens a new line of defense for actual CP. You would need to prove the content is not AI to convince real abusers. This is why it can't be made legal, it needs to be prosecuted like real CP to be sure to convict actual abusers.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

This is an incredibly itchy and complicated theme. So I will try not go go really further into it.

But prosecute what is essentially a work of fiction seems bad.

This it not even a topic new to the AI. CP has been wildly represented in both written and graphical media. And the consensus in most free countries is not to prosecute those as they are a work of fiction.

I cannot think why an AI written CP fiction is different from human written CP fiction.

I suppose "AI big bad" justify it for some. But for me there should be a logical explanation behind if we would began to prosecute works of fiction why some will be prosecuted and why other will not. Specially when the one that's being prosecuted is just regurgitating the human written stories about CP that are not being prosecuted nowadays.

I essentially think that a work of fiction should never be prosecuted to begin with, no matter the topic. And I also think that an AI writing about CP is no worse than an actual human doing the same thing.

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