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[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just in case it wasn't obvious, this is bait. No ABU cards had the tiny copyright text at the bottom, just artist credit.

[–] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago

The card stock is also much too thick

[–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have no idea what this game is. Is the card (if it were real) valuable?

[–] techt@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It just says “no result found”.

[–] techt@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Strange, works for me. You can get the gist by searching for Black Lotus on that site. tl;dr the rarest versions of it can go for 8k+ USD

[–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Literally not knowing what this game is called definitely meant I required a TL;DR or straight answer! Thank you for that, now I understand the rage bait.

[–] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You'll understand it even more when you find out that website is inaccurate, and some black lotuses now go for $150,000 +

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[–] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago
[–] Abnorc@lemm.ee 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is great for when you’re missing the lotus tile.

[–] Maultasche@feddit.de 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have you checked your sleeve?

[–] owatnext@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago
[–] candyman337@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 year ago
[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 43 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Can we just bootleg magic cards and play the game? Or is MTG not fun enough on its own without the collecting part?

[–] eagleth@reddthat.com 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yes. They're called proxies. Some people are fine with it, some aren't. It's not legal in tournaments obviously but some communities/syles like CEDH are fine with it.

[–] balls_expert@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

obviously

It doesn't seem obvious to me how that gives a competitive edge to anyone unless the skills involved are browisng ebay with a lot of money

[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It’s obvious if you consider TCG companies literally thrive on selling pieces of paper for far more what they actually cost them. If everyone could just print their own deck no one would buy packs anymore.

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[–] diskmaster23@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Where can I print up my own proxies?

[–] HatFullOfSky@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I use proxy.griselbrand.com which works really well IMO

[–] TirelessTracker@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

makeplayingcards.com is a good option. And you can get the images from mpcfill.com

[–] CryptoRoberto@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Aren't you supposed to own the card to use a proxy? That's like the whole meaning of the word right, substituting for something. Not just making a fake.

[–] finestnothing@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Proxy doesn't mean substituting for something you already own, it means something standing in place of or representing something else. In the case of mtg, people use proxy cards to stand in for cards that they don't want to spend hundreds, thousands, or hundreds of thousands of dollars on but want to play with casually

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Considering the whole CCCG design is lootboxes but for card games, requiring proxy holders to actually own the cards gives legitimacy to WotCs use of dark patterns to take advantage of cognitive biases and whales (people susceptible to gambling-related dark patterns).

So asserting one has to have an original is to condone the abusive marketing practices used in the game.

Which, as a sober MtG addict, I do not.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago

The only games in which Black Lotus is legal is so that those who own an original have a place to play it.

It (and all the big Type A Tourney Guns) gives a considerable edge to whoever draws it, so games are better served by both players just agreeing not to play it.

[–] Fitzsimmons@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago

There are periods in the game's history where various formats were well designed and balanced and thus had a wide degree of viable decks, making the game generally enjoyable to actually play at both a casual and serious level.

Unfortunately practically nobody can agree on when those times actually are.

Draft and seald formats have also been consistenly popular and they completely exclude the collection aspect.

[–] spike@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago

Game itself is a ton of fun. If you and your friends just want to learn the game you can just print out the cards, no problem. Or if you want real^TM^ cards you can get a starter kit with 2*60 card decks for about 10-15$ from your local game store. (Or amazon if you are in a remote area with no Game Stores.) They are not the best decks, but they are balanced to each other and the cards are simple enough for new players to navigate.

Better Magic Cards do mostly 2 or 3 things at once and can combo with others or are just great by themselves. Not that worse Magic Cards can't combo or anything, they just need more setup or can be a bit niche in their usefulness.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's how I played with my friends who didn't want to buy their own decks. I was only ever interested in the game part, not the collecting part. The game is fun. It's still my favorite card game.

[–] Kyoyeou@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Commander is a ton of fun, and it you have a cool group you can proxi some of your cards that's all good. I've personally bought only 3 cards in the last year of playing, I had a lot of fun playing, and I'm impatient to find somewhere where I can play where I am moving

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[–] DV8@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

When I still actively played and wanted to try new decks easily 10 of my cards were proxies. No point in spending €20 on a rare if it won't make your deck better. The people I tested with did the same. We didn't even bother printing them though. We just wrote the name down and the properties if we didn't know them by heart.

And like others stated there's many formats including ones that even prohibit rare cards.

And before WotC came out with a decent online way to play we also had an online client in which you could import all the cards ever, though I doubt it was superlegal.

[–] citrusface@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Literally 😂

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is madness! You need to protect this card. My personal tip: use clear packing tape to cover the card and protect it.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I know nothing about the collecting side of things and I have cards from like the second generation or so when I got into it. I am pretty sure I have some Black Lotus cards since I was a fiend for Blacks. Are they extremely rare? All my MTG cards are just loose in a big bin in my closet.

[–] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Beta editions of Black Lotus go for about $50,000

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Far more exciting to me than seeing an original BL is to see one of the early-nineties runs of counterfeits that were superfakes and were higher quality print and finish than the originals.

I suspect the ones that remain are worth more than authentics.

[–] androogee@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago

I do not suspect that lmao.

[–] spacesweedkid27@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

It's treason then...

[–] WildlyCanadian@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago

This needs to be remade with the 1/1 ring

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

Even knowing it's fake, just seeing this caused me psychic damage.

[–] DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Reminds me of this one image I can't find of a guy cutting a pizza with a copy of scalebound.

[–] omgitsaheadcrab@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago
[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Yikes. I bet Post Malone would only pay like $5000 dollars for this one

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