this post was submitted on 23 Sep 2024
1121 points (98.6% liked)

Today I Learned

17755 readers
12 users here now

What did you learn today? Share it with us!

We learn something new every day. This is a community dedicated to informing each other and helping to spread knowledge.

The rules for posting and commenting, besides the rules defined here for lemmy.world, are as follows:

Rules (interactive)


Rule 1- All posts must begin with TIL. Linking to a source of info is optional, but highly recommended as it helps to spark discussion.

** Posts must be about an actual fact that you have learned, but it doesn't matter if you learned it today. See Rule 6 for all exceptions.**



Rule 2- Your post subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material.

Your post subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material. You will be warned first, banned second.



Rule 3- Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here.

Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here. Breaking this rule will not get you or your post removed, but it will put you at risk, and possibly in danger.



Rule 4- No self promotion or upvote-farming of any kind.

That's it.



Rule 5- No baiting or sealioning or promoting an agenda.

Posts and comments which, instead of being of an innocuous nature, are specifically intended (based on reports and in the opinion of our crack moderation team) to bait users into ideological wars on charged political topics will be removed and the authors warned - or banned - depending on severity.



Rule 6- Regarding non-TIL posts.

Provided it is about the community itself, you may post non-TIL posts using the [META] tag on your post title.



Rule 7- You can't harass or disturb other members.

If you vocally harass or discriminate against any individual member, you will be removed.

Likewise, if you are a member, sympathiser or a resemblant of a movement that is known to largely hate, mock, discriminate against, and/or want to take lives of a group of people, and you were provably vocal about your hate, then you will be banned on sight.

For further explanation, clarification and feedback about this rule, you may follow this link.



Rule 8- All comments should try to stay relevant to their parent content.



Rule 9- Reposts from other platforms are not allowed.

Let everyone have their own content.



Rule 10- Majority of bots aren't allowed to participate here.

Unless included in our Whitelist for Bots, your bot will not be allowed to participate in this community. To have your bot whitelisted, please contact the moderators for a short review.



Partnered Communities

You can view our partnered communities list by following this link. To partner with our community and be included, you are free to message the moderators or comment on a pinned post.

Community Moderation

For inquiry on becoming a moderator of this community, you may comment on the pinned post of the time, or simply shoot a message to the current moderators.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] JackDark@lemmy.world 180 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In Washington state, you can just be nude. As long as you are not doing anything to be "obscene".

[–] PolyLlamaRous@lemmy.world 79 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oregon too, last I knew at least.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 107 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is, in fact, what makes Portland's annual naked bike ride event possible.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 38 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What are you doing, step-city?

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] jcs@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Yes, Portland had decriminalized public nudity if participating in a peaceful protest, while not engaging in sexual conduct, and away from certain restricted areas like parks and schools. The annual naked bike ride is an organized peaceful protest that chooses its route appropriately as to not encroach on any areas where public nudity would otherwise be prohibited.

[–] logos@sh.itjust.works 154 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Same goes for NY.

I know this because at the college I worked at, a city public safety officer walked up to a young man who was sunbathing on campus thinking it was a woman, and told him to put his shirt back on or be charged with indecency or something. The school was outraged and had a shirtless demonstration march around town.

Did a I mention it was an all girls school?

[–] vovo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I found this map: https://gotopless.org/topless-laws The religion behind this site seems kind of strange.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The religion behind this site seems kind of strange.

Extraterrestrials Created All Life On Earth

Let's Build An Embassy To Welcome Them

[–] vovo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Thats a more plausible explanation than what the big religions offer.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (7 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
[–] 7112@lemmy.world 110 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 60 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's really just free the nipple, which highlights how ridiculous it is. Even more so when you see images where male nipples have been pasted over female nipples, which would theoretically make those images ok.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm getting flashbacks to Tumblr's "female-presenting nipples" censorship rules during the porn ban.

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 96 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Also legal in Ontario, Canada. A woman was arrested for walking around topless in hot weather. She was finned by police but topless men in the area were not. Ontario courts eventually rulled this was discriminatory but the provincial government did not appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada so the ruling only applies in Ontario.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah despite there being a law against discrimination, the cops are obviously going to use their subjective view of things like lewd behaviour to charge topless women where they wouldn't men.

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That's literally the law Ontario courts rulled cannot apply to topless women as it is discrimination.

On July 19, 1991, a sweltering and humid day, Gwen Jacob, a University of Guelph student, was arrested after walking down a street in Guelph, Ontario while topless after removing her shirt when the temperature was 33 °C (91 °F) and was charged with indecency under Section 173(1)(a) of the Criminal Code

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Take Oklahoma off your list because in Tulsa they will still arrest any woman who does this. Apparently they refuse to follow that law that was passed.

I know because the city made big fucking stink about it when Tulsa women started to go topless when it was found to be legal. So they passed and ordinance making it illegal within city limits at public spaces so practically everywhere.

load more comments (6 replies)
load more comments (4 replies)
[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 94 points 1 month ago (15 children)

We need to switch from our current American view that all nudity is sexual. If you see a someone naked doesn't automatically make it sexual!

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 49 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I mean, sure. But also need to switch from our current US American view that sexuality is bad

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 28 points 1 month ago (12 children)

People need to spend a little time at a nudist resort. They'd learn real quick that naked isn't sexual.

load more comments (12 replies)
[–] Botzo@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

True! My first thought is usually drugs without further context.

load more comments (12 replies)
[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 75 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Equal protection clause. Any law that imposes itself on women and not men should be unconstitutional.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

load more comments (8 replies)
[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 70 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

YES
END THE HYPOCRISY
👏 FORCE
👏 MEN
👏 TO
👏 WEAR
👏 SHIRTS!

^^^apologies, i should have appended an '/s'^^^

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago (6 children)

No way am I going swimming like JD Vance.

load more comments (6 replies)
[–] dabaldeagul@feddit.nl 31 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Heck nah, free the tiddy. I'm transitioning and I wanna be able to show off what I've grown when I'm able haha

Also just like, can we all stop making everything sexual and let peoples bodies exist. Instead of hiding everything and making ourselves feel ashamed of our bodies

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Free them tiddies!

On a serious note, while I've always believed that boobs aren't inherently sexual, years of bathing people has extended that to all nudity.

Once you get used to seeing people naked all the time, nudity by itself ceases to be sexual. There has to be intent to the nudity to matter.

And it isn't like I didn't bathe attractive boobs and vag (that being what I'm attracted to personally, I'm not into guys), I did. Plenty of them, surprisingly, what with accidents and illnesses being involved (you'd think that illness and injury would reduce the attractiveness overall, what with part of attractiveness being signs of health). Even in nursing homes, there were enough attractive bodies that most people would be surprised.

But it wasn't sexual at all. Well, not for me anyway, some of the patients had moments.

It's just skin.

The flip side of that is that after a while, I just got annoyed at people doing the usual "old people gross" bullshit. No, they aren't, they're just old. Age, disability, none of it makes someone's body unpleasant inherently. Tbh, there's beauty in all of it after I got past the initial dissonance with nudity in general. That "I'm not supposed to be seeing this" that we get drilled into us.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

I mean.....I have self body issues. I wear a hoodie in the summer when it's nearly 100F.

But I was thinking we go the other way on this. Ladies, just because I'M ashamed of my body, and cover up, doesn't mean YOU need to! Let the girls get some air!

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] femtech@midwest.social 57 points 1 month ago (14 children)
load more comments (14 replies)
[–] deathbysnusnu@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] stoicmaverick@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

Username checks out.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago

I was told (but didnt confirm this) that in Barcelona you can go full nude almost everywhere and there is a naked guy on a bike that is pretty famous there (didnt get to see him fortunately?)

[–] Disgracefulone@discuss.online 33 points 1 month ago (18 children)

Why is it not legal everywhere that it is for men? This is ass backwards lol. I just always assumed it was more of a women saying "not gonna do that cause pervs" type thing and how overly sexualized boobs are

load more comments (18 replies)
[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

AFAIK anyone can go fully nude in most public spaces in Germany. It's actually kind of weirder to not allow it and carve out arbitrary exceptions if you think about it.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 27 points 1 month ago (14 children)

The prohibition on public exposure of breasts by women and girls over 10 years old is now gone from the city code as of this week.

I never thought I'd be conflicted on this, because I am absolutely of the opinion that female breasts and nipples shouldn't be treated as exclusively sexual body parts, especially since men have them too and we aren't held to that standard.

But being confronted with the idea that 10-17 year old girls can now bare their breasts in public without restraint reminds me that treating female bodies as non-sexual is great as an ethos, but it is not reflective of reality, and that this specifically could be problematic.

But how to solve it? You can't make it an 18+ only rule, or you're further entrenching the idea that female breasts are exclusively sexual and adult, but if you let teens and tweens go topless, they will be sexualized / ogled / photographed by adult men, and that's a bad precedent to set as acceptable. We usually treat photographs of underage female breasts as a form of CSAM, but can we still say that if we're treating female breasts as non-sexual? This is an interesting new line to draw, given societal attitudes on adolescent nudity.

Regretfully, I believe that the true problem is men. The reason women have to cover their breasts is because they have to protect themselves from men. I'm all for bodily liberation and the de-sexualization of female existence, but we need an overhaul on our society's attitudes towards women in general if we're going to get there. Maybe bare breasts help get us there. Maybe girls need to learn the right way how to kick a man in the balls before they go topless.

[–] Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 month ago

I feel like the simple solution is that if you can't have topless kids because of pervs, then you can't have topless kids and gender isn't part of it

load more comments (13 replies)
[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I support this for all the reasons. All the right ones. And all the wrong ones.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] OkGo@lemm.ee 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In America, here in France is a right nationwide ✊

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›